SSNL POKER [cheese] thread July - Part 1

[gezuz]

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Who needs pairs anyway...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.40
Hero (BB): $287.22
UTG: $243.60
CO: $279.92
BTN: $838.54

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, CO calls $8.00, SB folds

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00

Turn: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, CO calls $44.00

River: ($142) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00

Pot Size: $318.00

CO had 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$158.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and WON (+$160.00)

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aejones theorem invades ssnl hahaha

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i don't even get how this is a +ev call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[VPIP100]

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I need to vent here.
I'm in a 450 hand session, and I've come across the following hands:

JJ &lt; AK all-in on 665 flop
AK &lt; AQ PF all-in
Q4 &lt; Q9 all-in on QT4 flop
AA &lt; KQ all-in on J86 flop (yes)
AK &lt; 44 PF all-in (okay, coinflip)

and the best one

44 &lt; 73 PF all-in vs every-hand-shoving monkey

That's getting stacked as the favorite one time for every 75 hands. Also lost another one where I was behind. Bankroll is dwindling. This is supposed to be a goldmine , but I have not won a single all-in yet today.
Something's wrong with my mojo and god I hate poker.

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Lol [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[VPIP100]

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Who needs pairs anyway...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.40
Hero (BB): $287.22
UTG: $243.60
CO: $279.92
BTN: $838.54

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, CO calls $8.00, SB folds

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00

Turn: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, CO calls $44.00

River: ($142) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00

Pot Size: $318.00

CO had 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$158.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and WON (+$160.00)

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aejones theorem invades ssnl hahaha

nh

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i don't even get how this is a +ev call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Every other hand he would check behind for showdown value, so when he bet, he has nothing, hence the +EV call.

[gezuz]

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Who needs pairs anyway...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.40
Hero (BB): $287.22
UTG: $243.60
CO: $279.92
BTN: $838.54

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, CO calls $8.00, SB folds

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00

Turn: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, CO calls $44.00

River: ($142) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00

Pot Size: $318.00

CO had 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$158.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and WON (+$160.00)

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aejones theorem invades ssnl hahaha

nh

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i don't even get how this is a +ev call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Every other hand he would check behind for showdown value, so when he bet, he has nothing, hence the +EV call.

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wouldn't the odds he's slowplaying 2pr/set or bluffing with a slightly better hand far outweigh the odds he's floating the flop and turn with the intention of taking away on the river esp with a 973r flop?

[Mossberg]

he checks behind his completed T8s with the rivered nuts?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Can you really read into a 1/2 player THAT much, saying that "he would check behind [every other hand] for showdown value"? I mean, I see random 1/2 dudes play 2pair or a set like this all the time. Call the dry flop, call again on the king turn since he thinks raising is going to scare you off, and finally bet for value when checked to on the river.

[cbloom]

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This book is gonna be so awesome. The fish will be raising to 6BB with their big pairs and 2.5-3BB with small pairs and stuff. BRILLIANT!!! ty Matt, it takes real genius to make the droolers we play against even worse.

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Good lord that is going to rule. The Tuff_fish type guys who just copy the preflop rules and don't think about the game are ideal for this trap.

[Ratamahatta]

haha "droolers", it's a funny word [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (BB): $270.50
SB: $212.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, SB calls $6.00

Flop: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $16.00</font>, Hero calls $16.00

Turn: ($48) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $48.00</font>, Hero calls $48.00

River: ($144) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $94.00</font>, Hero calls $94.00

Pot Size: $332.00 ($0.50 Rake)

SB had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ([7c 4s] two pair, Kings and Sixes) and LOST (-$166.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Sixes) and WON (+$165.50)

[aislephive]

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Who needs pairs anyway...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.40
Hero (BB): $287.22
UTG: $243.60
CO: $279.92
BTN: $838.54

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, CO calls $8.00, SB folds

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00

Turn: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, CO calls $44.00

River: ($142) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00

Pot Size: $318.00

CO had 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$158.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and WON (+$160.00)

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aejones theorem invades ssnl hahaha

nh

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i don't even get how this is a +ev call [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Every other hand he would check behind for showdown value, so when he bet, he has nothing, hence the +EV call.

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This is definitely not a +EV call, and I probably make these ace high call downs as much as anybody. The thing is against a player who is so dumb and unpredictable as we see in this hand, he could easily be bluffing the best hand. If there was a flush draw on the flop then it becomes not as bad of a call, but really we're beating exactly 56 and 68, but losing to stuff like bottom pair that he turns into a bluff, occasionally a better ace high, as well as when he luckboxed his way into two pair or something. The point is that his range isn't polarized to nuts/air and we're going to get owned when he shows up with some retarded hand that beats us. If we had A9, then a call would be closer and probably good.

[The White Rabbit]

I didn't think he was that dumb and unpredictable at all (note he had a double gutter, apart from preflop his play was entirely reasonable). I thought (and still think) his range was highly polarized towards {65, 68, T8} + some random turned/rivered 2 pair hands. Getting almost 3-1 that's a call for me.