I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

[Tooty816]

ugh. I'd be pissing my pants too with 200bbs

I would definitely have raised pre especially given that he raised UTG. By calling, you have no idea where you stand. Better to invest more pre so you can play it easier postflop.

As played I don't fault you for folding.

Edit: Actually I take that back. Shove is good.

Against AA KK QQ, your set of jacks is only 43-57 dog according to stove. If you include AK KQ along with QQ+, you're a 68-32 favourite.

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good post kei.. call>r/f

[JACKPOT321]

I would not put him on anything but 2pair or AK, either way you have him dominated. A-10 is not that strong a lead out hand, but yeah, he could have it. I would prefer to go broke with the set on the flop if he had the nuts, but think that you are prob good, plus your 8 outs to a FH mean even if he catches the straight, you can still come back. After more play with him what did you think he had?

[loosbastard]

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I would definitely have raised pre especially given that he raised UTG. By calling, you have no idea where you stand. Better to invest more pre so you can play it easier postflop.

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This is all very wrong. Just because it's "easier to play"...doesn't mean it's the most +EV.

[Michaelson]

Okay, got on a computer with Stove. It's a shove. I thought with a range this narrow and two over set possibilities you'd have had much less equity than this, but even if he never gets out of line you're only a slight dog.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

38,610 games 0.005 secs 7,722,000 games/sec

Board: Kd Jc Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.405% 44.37% 01.03% 17132 399.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 54.595% 53.56% 01.03% 20680 399.00 { KK-QQ, AcKc, ATs, KQs, T9s, ATo, KJo+ }

[loosbastard]

Why isn't AxA[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in there? Hell why not all combos of AA?

[Tooty816]

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I would definitely have raised pre especially given that he raised UTG. By calling, you have no idea where you stand. Better to invest more pre so you can play it easier postflop.

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This is all very wrong. Just because it's "easier to play"...doesn't mean it's the most +EV.

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Why not? You set the stage to reduce the chances that you'll make a mistake. Why wouldn't you want that? Unless the UTG opener is a nit, JJ has a good chance of being ahead of his range plus you have fold equity and position. You also reduce the chances that people behind you will call, which is not something you want with high pocket pairs.

[keikiwai]

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You also reduce the chances that people behind you will call which is not something you want with high pocket pairs.

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there is no one behind you on the flop

pf you make things easier for villain if you raise (btw also true for flop)

[AP81]

Raise/folding isn't really terrible when you consider stack sizes. It's not like we expect to be 3bet 200bbs deep on this flop that often either, so I disagree with Keikiwai that you're getting 3bet on this flop a lot of the time. 100bbs deep yes raise/folding is terrible, but when stacks get deeper raising for value and folding to a reraise isn't as crazy as it sounds.

If he is good his range should pretty much be KK/QQ/AT/T9 as well as air and maybe something like AK clubs. But I don't think you're going to see a good player play two pair this hard on this board almost ever.

In conclusion, folding seems fine and so is raising the flop.

[FoldEqu1ty]

Calling three PSB's (barring a Ten on turn or river) has much more value than raise/folding imo.