C-bet push an A high flop?

KneeCo · #1 09-15-2007, 03:05 PM

Bad loose-limp-passive table where people like smooth calling pf/open limping and Im like the only one 3 betting without the nuts. ITM in the a 3$ FO.

My image is probably bad b/c I'm raising a lot and punishing limpers and one time I did that I flopped well with K3o and went to showdown. Villain has been among the limp-folders looking to play fit or fold in multiway pots.

I think pf here is obligatory at this table, but I welcome debate on that if you want.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t47831)
MP2 (t6575)
CO (t8420)
Button (t36261)
SB (t13165)
BB (t18578)
UTG (t77423)
UTG+1 (t3585)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t2500, 1 fold, CO calls t2500, 3 folds.

Flop: (t5700) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t45231 (All-In)
Villain has 5820 behind and if he were slightly deeper I'd C/F (though after that if we were both deeper I'd cbet cause his pf range would be bigger).

skibbel · #2 09-15-2007, 03:28 PM

You have 2 shortsstacks behind, i'd like to get in prf vs them, so i raise preflop more.

KneeCo · #3 09-15-2007, 03:42 PM

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You have 2 shortsstacks behind, i'd like to get in prf vs them, so i raise preflop more.

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I don't quite understand.
Is there range for pushing over 2500 any different than their range for doing so against 3000?

*If no:
than raising to 2500 is better to get away cheaper if one of the 'deeper' players makes a bet I want to fold to.

*If yes:
than they must be pushing wider vs 2500 than 3000 in which case again I would rather bet 2500.

skibbel · #4 09-15-2007, 03:47 PM

No, but u give the blinds the option to call very cheaply. That sucks imho.

skibbel · #5 09-15-2007, 03:49 PM

With your Stack i raise to 4k and call any push execept Btn/UTG.
I don't wanna see a flop.

KneeCo · #6 09-15-2007, 03:57 PM

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No, but u give the blinds the option to call very cheaply. That sucks imho.

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so it has nothing to do with the stack sizes behind, ur just adverse to 2.5 opens because of the odds they afford the blinds.

A fair position which you aren't alone in, but it's not my approach.

erc007 · #7 09-15-2007, 07:03 PM

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Bad loose-limp-passive table where people like smooth calling pf/open limping and Im like the only one 3 betting without the nuts. ITM in the a 3$ FO.

My image is probably bad b/c I'm raising a lot and punishing limpers and one time I did that I flopped well with K3o and went to showdown. Villain has been among the limp-folders looking to play fit or fold in multiway pots.

I think pf here is obligatory at this table, but I welcome debate on that if you want.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t47831)
MP2 (t6575)
CO (t8420)
Button (t36261)
SB (t13165)
BB (t18578)
UTG (t77423)
UTG+1 (t3585)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t2500, 1 fold, CO calls t2500, 3 folds.

Flop: (t5700) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t45231 (All-In)
Villain has 5820 behind and if he were slightly deeper I'd C/F (though after that if we were both deeper I'd cbet cause his pf range would be bigger).

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I don't think villain is ever folding an A, but if he folds PPs like 88-TT, this is good IMO.