Is Absolute beatable with the BBJ extra rake?

celiboy · #1 07-14-2007, 04:18 PM

With the last bonus change, whoring at AP became OK from what I have read...about $3.75 per hour at 1/2 6 max limit plus of course RB on top of that....so $5 per table hour lets say...not bad. However the extra rake on the Bad beat jackpot tables is 50 cents per hand on pots over $5. Let's say 50% of hands reach that with an average of 5 players per table, that is $5 per player per hour at shorthanded....or in other words 2.5bb/100 hands in extra rake. Is the game even beatable at this point? Unfortunately virtually all the tables are BBJ so you really can't chose to not participate.

Pokeraddict · #2 07-14-2007, 04:28 PM

IMO they are not, at least at lower limits, especially 1/2 6 max FL.

Niediam · #3 07-14-2007, 04:40 PM

Not counting bonuses/rakeback/BBJequity basically none of the limit games at 2/4 and 1/2 are beatable now. 3/5 and 5/10 full is probably still beatable for 0.5bb/100 or so if you practice good game selection.

TheHip41 · #4 07-14-2007, 06:20 PM

ILP did the math for me, because I'm too lazy. here is what he told me

3-6 and below, the rake+BBJ crushes you. You can't beat it.

5-10, it hurts, but it's still somewhat profitable.

10-20 and up, not a problem

So basically, I just never play 3-6 bbj tables, and 5-10 if there are some super fish there.

freecard4all · #5 07-14-2007, 06:58 PM

play when the Jackpot is over $350.000 = it's EV+ to play there.
i.e. you get more than that 50 cents per raked hand (statistically)

thepizzlefosho · #6 07-14-2007, 07:11 PM

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play when the Jackpot is over $350.000 = it's EV+ to play there.
i.e. you get more than that 50 cents per raked hand (statistically)

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unfortunately this strategy is very very high variance....

hypermegachi · #7 07-14-2007, 09:35 PM

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Not counting bonuses/rakeback/BBJequity basically none of the limit games at 2/4 and 1/2 are beatable now. 3/5 and 5/10 full is probably still beatable for 0.5bb/100 or so if you practice good game selection.

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does anyone have figures for NL cash games?

Bilgefisher · #8 07-14-2007, 09:46 PM

is this true even if your clearing bonuses? and rakeback?

graarrg · #9 07-16-2007, 02:16 AM

Absolute BBJ had a net effect of -$22/hr (don't remember the BB/100, I made a thread on this earlier this month) at .5/1 NL for me. The game was definitely still beatable but -$22/hr pay dock is brutal. (that doesn't include the EV of the bad beat jackpot itself.)

hypermegachi · #10 07-16-2007, 11:22 AM

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Absolute BBJ had a net effect of -$22/hr (don't remember the BB/100, I made a thread on this earlier this month) at .5/1 NL for me. The game was definitely still beatable but -$22/hr pay dock is brutal. (that doesn't include the EV of the bad beat jackpot itself.)

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how many tables?