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11-14-2007, 11:52 AM
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How do you handle this?
I notice this a lot in lower limit games especially when people are having fun and not taking the game seriously:
-A player shows his neighbor his cards then finally mucks. -A player comments/speculates on hand in a multiway pot. -String betting. -And other rules or ethical violations. When I comment to a player about what they are doing is wrong, I usually always get a defensive response and now I look like the "serious guy" and then people view me as an ahole. If I tell the dealer, then others may still overhear me and I still look like a nit. If I tell a floor person, they may or may not do anything and I again it still may come back on me. I kinda feel like one kid telling on his sibling, but on the other hand why should someone get free information and I don't get the same information? It's not fair to everyone else. What's the best approach without looking like a dick? 
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#2
11-14-2007, 11:59 AM
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Re: How do you handle this?
I just let it go. I would say something if I thought it was hurting me money-wise. I think it's more +EV to appear to be one of the ones having fun and messing around than to appear to be a serious poker player.
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#3
11-14-2007, 12:00 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
A player shows his neighbor his cards then finally mucks.
I will always request to see a hand if its pretty clear he showed one of his neighbors his whole cards before he mucked. If that person chimes in at all then i'll tell him what i tell everyone: if you don't want me to see your cards then dont show your neighbors. Its simple, show one show all. I won't ever request to see a hand at showdown if the person doesnt want to show.
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#4
11-14-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
I think of things like this as costs of doing business. I'm going to be taking their money, I'd rather have my customers enjoy themselves while I'm doing this. If you nit the game up, you tend to drive away the people who just want to have fun and don't care about the money.
Personally I don't say anything about minor violations, especially when I want the violator at my game. It used to bother me, but it doesn't anymore.
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#5
11-14-2007, 12:22 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
If it bothers you, please try to discreetly tell the dealer. S/he may not react, but then again, s/he may be glad to have an ally.
I'm curious how others feel about people talking about hands or the board. As a dealer, I try to curb it best I can, but I can't tackle every time, so I look for the more egregious violations, or someone consistently talking. Usually people say, "oh, sorry," and I smile and say it's ok. It's those who fight back that bug me, because it puts me in a double-bind. They won't get kicked out or even dealt out of a hand because of it. All they get is the floor coming over and wagging a finger and telling them that if they do it again, they're due for another finger-wagging. But obviously I can't let somebody blatantly violate a rule and then get away with yelling at me about it, either. So that's why I try to handle it delicately. By and large the player is right, it's not a problem and it's not affecting anything. But what I usually say to diffuse it, as friendly as I can, is, "yeah, it's usually not a problem until it's problem, then it's a HUGE problem... you'll understand if it ever affects a pot you're in." That lets them know I'm looking out for everybody, and is more explanatory than disciplinary. Regarding string-betting, check the rules in your room. I am not to correct a string bet unless a player brings it up first.
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#6
11-14-2007, 01:33 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
[ QUOTE ]
By and large the player is right, it's not a problem and it's not affecting anything. But what I usually say to diffuse it, as friendly as I can, is, "yeah, it's usually not a problem until it's problem, then it's a HUGE problem... you'll understand if it ever affects a pot you're in." That lets them know I'm looking out for everybody, and is more explanatory than disciplinary. [/ QUOTE ] This is excellent. We need more of this!
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#7
11-14-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
[ QUOTE ]
A player shows his neighbor his cards then finally mucks. I will always request to see a hand if its pretty clear he showed one of his neighbors his whole cards before he mucked. If that person chimes in at all then i'll tell him what i tell everyone: if you don't want me to see your cards then dont show your neighbors. Its simple, show one show all. I won't ever request to see a hand at showdown if the person doesnt want to show. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty classless. Why be that guy? A lot of fish play poker for the "community" of it. They want people's attention and sympathy. Let them have it. It's not like it is hurting you if you can't see their hand when they muck. If you want them to show you their hand too, this isn't the way to go about doing it. Look, you too can get a fish sitting next to you who will want your sympathy from time to time. Give it to them. Maybe they will share their hole cards with you every once in a while and you'll get some free info. Personally, I really don't care. As long as the fish are happy that's fine with me. I'll watch like a hawk for any info I can pick up, but there is no need to gain the ire of the other players by acting like a prick.
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#8
11-14-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
As for string-betting - if you're not in the hand, it isn't your place to say anything. If another player says something, please, back them up if you also saw the string bet. If you are in the hand, it is perfectly alright to selectively choose which times to call them on the rule. The dealer should be the one catching them, but they usually don't say anything. If the string bet is going to be to your benefit, it is ok to let it go. If it isn't, "That's a string bet." Tell the dealer, not the player. The dealer saw it too, but he hates being a nit so will only do something if you say something, but if you say something, he will spring into action. Address the dealer, not the player.
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#9
11-14-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
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The dealer saw it too, but he hates being a nit so will only do something if you say something, [/ QUOTE ] Just to clarify, in some rooms the dealer is specifically instructed NOT to say anything until a player calls it out.
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#10
11-14-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: How do you handle this?
[ QUOTE ]
A player shows his neighbor his cards then finally mucks. I will always request to see a hand if its pretty clear he showed one of his neighbors his whole cards before he mucked. If that person chimes in at all then i'll tell him what i tell everyone: if you don't want me to see your cards then dont show your neighbors. Its simple, show one show all. I won't ever request to see a hand at showdown if the person doesnt want to show. [/ QUOTE ] If your neighbor shows you his cards before he mucks are you going to tell him to show everyone since he showed you?
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