Two thin value bets

[JacksonTens]

Live 20/40

1. Villain is tight, and aggressive, can fold top pair to single turn raises HU (weak?). He always bets out a good TP into a PF raiser, not sure if he bets out draws.

Hero is MPw KdKx
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 CCer, Villain calls in BB.

Flop 8SB[4] Qd Td Xc
Villain bets, Hero calls, CCer calls
[i planned on raising turn as CCer is ver fishy, and you cant fold him on the flop with 1 pair for two bets, but you can on the turn, + I'd been raising villain alot on turn lately and he'd been folding, so I figured this time, he'd have to pay off]

Turn 5BB X
Villain bets, Hero raises, CCer folds, Villain calls.

River 9BB Ax
Villain checks, Hero....?

2. Villain in this hand is EP, and has an enormous range, plays draws wild, and likes to bluff, probly doesn't try to bluff me as often as others but still nonetheless sometimes. On the flop, he pumps whatever a LAG might pump...use ur imagination.

Hero is CO w red JJ
folded to villain in MP who calls, BTN the raises, I say that its my turn, "lets see what u do" I raise, BTN 3bets, the same fishy CCer from b4 calls 3 cold [yes he's terrible] MP calls, I call.

Flop 12SB [4] 9s 7s 3d
Villain bets, I raise, BTN folds, CCer folds, {Villain says "Im ahead and 3bets" I call.

Turn 18SB [2] Qx
Villain bets, I call

River 11BB [2] Xs
Villain checks, I???

I felt confused after both of these hands...
Online at my level I would bet both of these instantly, but I just dunno if its right live, its hard making the change all the time, I'm sure others here my problem

JT

[bakku]

hand 1 is fine

hand 2, raise the turn

[benwood]

River check looks best on hand 1.

[Victor]

i bet both. i doubt tag folds a q on river at this point.

if hand 2 villain is lag as you say turn could be raise.

[JacksonTens]

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i bet both. i doubt tag folds a q on river at this point.

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1. I made the bet because I figured he would call with a Q, but on second thoughts, I know that he will prolly fold weak Q's to the turn raise. And may not bet out unless he has a stronger one. So to call a raise in the BB he must at least have QK-QAo, QA-Q8s. No sure if he bets out with a 9 or 8 kicker. So I'm hoping for QK or QJ, yes he is one of those tight aggressive, weak kinda nitty players.


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if hand 2 villain is lag as you say turn could be raise.

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2. Yes he is a LAG, but a weird one, a 3bet PF real lose to isolate with Q6s kinda LAG, a pump all draws super hard and draw to anything on the flop, but slows down on turn and river. one of those 'om happy with whats already in there, scared of the flush kinda guys". But yeah r/f the turn and check the river?

JT

[CardSharpCook]

Is that a pair of Xs on the first board?

[CardSharpCook]

second hand, looks (sounds) like a turn raise. Def a river bet. First hand, if that's a pair of Xs, I'm more likely to bet, as I feel that QT is more likely to stubbornly call and that added to all the pairs that will stubbornly call anyway, it makes it a bet. It may be a bet anyway because of easy decision afforded by his chk/rz.

[JacksonTens]

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Is that a pair of Xs on the first board?

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No, we weren't using the really really old school, aka 'roman' deck... although I'd love a straight from I-V.

[X] = [brick] = ["card that doesn't matter" i.e a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

JT

[CardSharpCook]

oh. I didn't know there were cards that didn't matter.

[dcb777]

I like the river check in hand one as villain is somewhat tricky and the A is a bad card for you hand especially because it is a good checkraise hand if his hand is already made. Hand #2 is a sure value bet as you most likely have the best hand in this situation.