step by step KK

[Lefort]

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id fold preflop since that's the only way to disquise the strength of your hand.

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lol so true..

This is an easy 4bet pf for me. I 4bet bluff here enough that my value 4betting range definitely includes KK as my opponents will likely stack off with QQ/JJ/AK against me.

[homeboy604]

if you're on the button here, i can see the merit in a cc.
however, being OOP just makes this hand to difficult too play post-flop, and i rr pre.
if i do take your line pre, i cr the flop and get it in.

all playing this hand in a "tricky" manner did was make you lose $260.

[schwza]

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id fold preflop since that's the only way to disquise the strength of your hand.

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lol so true..

This is an easy 4bet pf for me. I 4bet bluff here enough that my value 4betting range definitely includes KK as my opponents will likely stack off with QQ/JJ/AK against me.

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if everybody were full-stacked then stacking off with JJ against a cold 4-bet is pretty dubious but doing it when there's a shorty involved would be terrible if villain were not a total maniac.

[Game_On]

at first i thought CC was the way to go but i think making a 4bet is better in this situation since we can make it look like some AKo iso play vs the shorty. if we cc we probably only get one street of value, two streets if he flops some opened ended or overpair+flushdraw , 0 if the ace comes (in which case we might actually fold if he stabs) and we may still lose a big pot when he hits some hand we didnt expect like 54s or whatever.

[Isura]

I would always 4-bet here. But I love KK

[Isura]

Jesus christ people want to fold this turn.

[Big_Jim]

CCing is pretty nice if the shorty gets out of line/overplays hands much. You have nice relative position on him, and will put the BTN in some sick guessing games.

The pot is protected, though, so I wouldn't really expect much implied odds from bluffing here.

Irregardless of that, there should still be a ton of hands here that you can 4bet for value vs the shorty, but can fold to a shove if the CO wakes up. Even though your move looks strong, he's still your main target.

And of course, there is some value in not seeing a flop, (although obviously you'd prefer they get in there).

If CO does go for the shove.. I sigh and instacall.

[Big_Jim]

Will people think I'm a fish if I suggest min-raising the flop?

[Isura]

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Will people think I'm a fish if I suggest min-raising the flop?

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I generally like that line. BUt I dunno if he'll take the bait in this particular spot. I think just c/c and hope he puts us on 88 or w/e works best.

[Suwalski]

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Will people think I'm a fish if I suggest min-raising the flop?

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I thought about that, i was just afraid people would think i was a fish if i said it out loud.