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Old 10-08-2007, 06:34 PM
hammerva hammerva is offline
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Default $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river question?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $141.25
Hero: $23.50
MP1: $69
MP2: $54.50
MP3: $39
CO: $36.75
Button: $23.25
SB: $29.75
BB: $39

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 5 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9SB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero ???

BB is according to Pokertracker a tight passive player with a 8.5 WPIP/1.4 AF/6.3% PF. I would like to think that this would affect my decisions but I really don't know. Anyway the flop is pretty damn good for me so I raise. BB raise on the turn tells me that I may need help but still has the odds to at least call. River helps me but maybe not by much. Is this an obvious call?

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Old 10-08-2007, 06:46 PM
bellatrix bellatrix is offline
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

Just call... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] (11.5 - 1)

You hit the jackpot with that flop. TPTK, Nut flush draw, gutshot, RF draw. Raise all day.
Call turn is ok with AF of 1.4 of opponent.

You hit trips with best kicker on river. Considering 3bet preflop you are behind AQ, JJ, TT, KT, KJ, KK (unlikely). You split with AK, you pwned JT, some QdJ, QdT. Not that many possibilities in which you beat a 3-bettable hand, but still call
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

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You hit trips with best kicker on river. Considering 3bet preflop you are behind AQ, JJ, TT, KT, KJ, KK (impossible).

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fyp, but yeah just calling is fine hopefully they show AA

also KT/KJ seem very unlikely in this spot, but still u never know!
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

Call and expect just about anything from AQ to 89 of diamonds and every combo in between.

Definitely mark the hand down. Guy played it suboptimally regardless.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

Call. I expect to see JJ, TT, AK, AA, or maybe QQd.

You played everything fine.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:18 PM
OziBattler OziBattler is offline
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

just call. this guy is really nitty.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

great hand. of course call the river, he has AA or QdQ alot here, along with a discounted strangely played JTs
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Old 10-09-2007, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

Don't raise the flop.
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Old 10-09-2007, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

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Don't raise the flop.

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really? did you see that sb is still in there?
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Old 10-09-2007, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: $1/$2 with AK with TP & nut flush draw on the flop - river questio

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Don't raise the flop.

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really? did you see that sb is still in there?

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Yeah. I'm not worried about SB. If he has a pair, he only has 5 outs and runs a large chance of being outdrawn by a number of redraws if he happens to hit his hand on the turn.

I really don't like sub-8 PFR 3-betting from BB against an early position raise. He's nitty enough that I'm not even sure if he's going to be 3-betting QQ in that spot.

I'd rather save a raise for the nut flush than play a 65% chop against another AK or eat it against AA or the case KK.
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