50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called

[ama0330]

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a 17/13 isnt floating us with sc's

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I wouldnt bank on that, either. Most 17/13's I know are closet psychopaths

[Profish2285]

Hes floating sc's oop? I float with those in position and I run at 17/15 but never oop unless Im tilting. But if he is doing that oop, then thats even more of a reason to check back.

[ama0330]

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Hes floating sc's oop? I float with those in position and I run at 17/15 but never oop unless Im tilting. But if he is doing that oop, then thats even more of a reason to check back.

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Im not saying he is, im just saying hes not not.


Anyway, I think this thread is dumb because Chomp is asking us how not to spew in 3bet pots and we are telling him how to do the opposite.

Chomp, cf flop/turn/river is fine.

[Profish2285]

Im not telling him to do the opposite, Im giving the same exact line you just said, c/f.

[ama0330]

I was referring more to the responses above yours.

[Profish2285]

Oh sorry, I got confused as to what was happening right now lol.

[matrix]

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think about the range that a 17/13 is cold calling a 3 bet pre flop with. I'd say 1010+, maybe AK. Now look at the board. What hands in villian's range is he check folding on this flop?

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AK and sometimes JJ. I'd guess that thats about 1/3 of his range. [12 AK combos 6 Jacks 3 Queens 6 Kings 3 Aces - lets discount a few AK's cos he's more likely to 4bet AK as preflop he still has good equity]

Also we 3bet HIM IP - that flop hits our range hard (or it should do)

It depends on our 3betting frequency I suppose - but I don't see why we shouldn't CB this flop with OC's and a bdnfd and rep an OP - planning to push any [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/Ace turn and pile the pressure onto villain.

If we are 3betting enough hands IP that we can't rep an OP here with a CB or we gots a read that villain tends to float in 3bet pots then I think c/f is way better cos we turned our hand into a semi bluff preflop and whiffed.

Id also just give up without the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on this flop. I think the added equity from the nf redraw and a bunch of FE on the scary 3flush turn makes this a profitable spot to CB - if I'm wrong here please can you elaborate.

[AZplaya]

Ya I mean if were gonna rep an overpair then its fine to bet the flop, but then we gotta follow through on the turn. Betting this flop planning to check fold most turns is spew though imo.

[Nick Royale]

Standard. Bet the flop to get him to lay down AK and other whiffed hands crap. Giving him a range of AK/TT+ is too tight without a better read.

Bet any turn Q+ and check blanks and [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s behind.