50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called

[Chomp]

Villain 17/13/2.5, 500 hands
Seems solid and seems to be playing a lot more aggro than those numbers suggest.
Hero 21/17
Hero has been very active, 3betting, opening a lot etc. Villain is definitely aware of this and has been playing back a bit pretty well.

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My question here is about 3b pots: people on 2+2 always talk about spewing in 3b pots and how people don't have a clue how to play in 3b pots.

So what do I do here? Is a double barrell good, or is it spewing in a 3b pot?

And if I were villain, what range SHOULD I be pushing at the end here to make a preflop 3bettor fold? How weak does my turn check look to an ok vilain like this?

Or does he just have a hand?

Thanks.

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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$49.50</font>)
UTG 1 (<font color="#0000cc">$48.80</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$93.90</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$48.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$61.85</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$27.90</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, CO calls $9

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($30.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">CO bets $34</font>, <font color="#777777">Hero folds</font>

Final Pot: $63.25

CO wins $63.25 ( won $14.25 )
Hero lost -$15.00

[ama0330]

Standard, you can just check back the flop and fold to pressure if you want, no need to put any more money in. It feels a little weird but its totally fine.

[bazooka87]

His call OOP, combined with decent stats, should indicate that he has a pretty good hand on that flop. I think firing a double barrel on this board is definitely spewy

[Profish2285]

I c/f flop fwiw. Board is too wet to make a c-bet here imo.

[matrix]

Your flop CB is too big. $8 is more than adequate I think.

Fire the dbl barrel on the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] turn and call a push - but that board is NOT wet if you take into account what a 17/13's 3bet CALLING range is OOP - he never has a straight or a straight draw here - we have the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so he almost never has a fd either.

I CB flop and shutdown unless I spike a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the turn or pick up TPGK+ unless I got a read that villain floats 3bet pots I think a flop CB is standard and reps an OP (as long as we aren't 3betting a huge amount)

nh.

I think he just has a hand - I'd lead AQ+/66+ on this board if I was villain for about 2/3 pot.

[derosnec]

looks good. and i cbet when checked to also.

[Baintz]

Seems standard against a 17/13. I doubt he's floating the flop OOP with nothing if you say he's solid. Turn changes little, so take the free card, you have at least 4 outs here.

[orig!naL]

I agree with Matrix here. How is this a wet flop given villains stats and the pf action? If this is what you consider a wet flop, what are you waiting for 925o?

Assuming I haven't looked spewy in the past and I think I'm being given a decent amount of respect on the table, I'm c-betting here all day long. I would shut down to any action though - I'd most likely put this villain on an over pair or big FD.

[AZplaya]

think about the range that a 17/13 is cold calling a 3 bet pre flop with. I'd say 1010+, maybe AK. Now look at the board. What hands in villian's range is he check folding on this flop? I you need to either check behind flop, or if you decide to bet the flop, do it with the intention of shoving the turn.

[Profish2285]

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I'd say 1010+, maybe AK. Now look at the board. What hands in villian's range is he check folding on this flop?

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Yes, thank you. This board sucks to bet at but if youre going to do it then just shove this turn and hope it scares him. But I still think checking back here is by far the most optimal play. Everyone keeps saying the board is great to bet at because a 17/13 isnt floating us with sc's. Thats completely true but he IS calling with a range that "hits" that board. There is nothing on that board he should be scared of so a flop bet here is essentially trying to push him off AK and AK only.