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#21
10-10-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] this is 67, 55/88, KT, or AA. i'm 100% certain. [/ QUOTE ] Result: *** RIVER *** [9h 5s 8d Kc] [Th] WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 bets $14.25 Ingrid Yente raises to $32.50 WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 has requested TIME WhiteWhale0928 calls $18.25 *** SHOW DOWN *** Ingrid Yente shows [Jh Qh] a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 mucks Ingrid Yente wins the pot ($79.40) with a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 adds $21.10 <font color="white"> </font> [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Any arguments for a fold here? [/ QUOTE ] Never...though it would be amusing if you tell us villain shows QJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Amused...next time BET 
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#22
10-10-2007, 03:20 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have an argument for leading the turn and I shove river. [/ QUOTE ] second [/ QUOTE ] thirded, stop playing like a little girl. [/ QUOTE ] relax, i posted this HH to see if i could find ANY argument for a fold or shove, while I know full well I'm never folding this here, I seriously considered shoving the river, esp given my ch,c/r line. Ended up I made the right decision. [/ QUOTE ] I just meant more like the flop and turn line.
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#24
10-10-2007, 03:28 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is 67, 55/88, KT, or AA. i'm 100% certain. [/ QUOTE ] Result: *** RIVER *** [9h 5s 8d Kc] [Th] WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 bets $14.25 Ingrid Yente raises to $32.50 WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 has requested TIME WhiteWhale0928 calls $18.25 *** SHOW DOWN *** Ingrid Yente shows [Jh Qh] a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 mucks Ingrid Yente wins the pot ($79.40) with a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 adds $21.10 <font color="white"> </font> [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Any arguments for a fold here? [/ QUOTE ] Never...though it would be amusing if you tell us villain shows QJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Amused...next time BET [/ QUOTE ] bet where?
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#26
10-10-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] bet flop [/ QUOTE ] i think his aggr factor is high enough to expect a cbet from him so much of the time that c/c or c/r the flop is +eV [/ QUOTE ] B/3B the flop if he is aggressive enough. People dont like being lead into. Bet your monsters like you have TP. As played I dont fold on the river.
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#27
10-10-2007, 06:54 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] bet flop [/ QUOTE ] i think his aggr factor is high enough to expect a cbet from him so much of the time that c/c or c/r the flop is +eV [/ QUOTE ] B/3B the flop if he is aggressive enough. People dont like being lead into. Bet your monsters like you have TP. As played I dont fold on the river. [/ QUOTE ] aggro enough to cbet is not aggro enough to be playing back at a b/3b with 2 overs and a gutshot from a PF sb cold caller
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#28
10-10-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is 67, 55/88, KT, or AA. i'm 100% certain. [/ QUOTE ] Result: *** RIVER *** [9h 5s 8d Kc] [Th] WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 bets $14.25 Ingrid Yente raises to $32.50 WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 has requested TIME WhiteWhale0928 calls $18.25 *** SHOW DOWN *** Ingrid Yente shows [Jh Qh] a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 mucks Ingrid Yente wins the pot ($79.40) with a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 adds $21.10 <font color="white"> </font> [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Any arguments for a fold here? [/ QUOTE ] Never...though it would be amusing if you tell us villain shows QJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Amused...next time BET [/ QUOTE ] seriously, where did i miss betting that i could extract more value? Are you saying lead flop turn and river? I think the line i took is deceptive enough to extract value from a hand like this, where I think QJ fold when i lead a 2nd barrel into the turn.
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#29
10-10-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
Your line isn't deceptive at all - it says "I FLOPPED A SET". That's how he would play it. What do we do when someone leads into us, as the PF raiser, on the flop? We raise with any two cards because it is usually weak. So bet - it's how he would play a draw or a 5 or 8.
Also, don't try to be deceptive against people with stats like his - just bet, bet, shove. As played shove the River.
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#30
10-10-2007, 07:14 PM
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Re: 50nl flopped 2nd nuts OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is 67, 55/88, KT, or AA. i'm 100% certain. [/ QUOTE ] Result: *** RIVER *** [9h 5s 8d Kc] [Th] WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 bets $14.25 Ingrid Yente raises to $32.50 WhiteWhale0928 has 15 seconds left to act WhiteWhale0928 has requested TIME WhiteWhale0928 calls $18.25 *** SHOW DOWN *** Ingrid Yente shows [Jh Qh] a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 mucks Ingrid Yente wins the pot ($79.40) with a straight, King high WhiteWhale0928 adds $21.10 <font color="white"> </font> [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Any arguments for a fold here? [/ QUOTE ] Never...though it would be amusing if you tell us villain shows QJ here. [/ QUOTE ] Amused...next time BET [/ QUOTE ] bet where? [/ QUOTE ] BET EVERYWHERE I lead flop, and turn. If villain is as big of a monkey as you said, you'll get action anyway. If not the flop I DEFINITELY lead the turn. You are all insane on the river as a shove is madness, just call.
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