6.5 -One of the most interesting hands in my short SnG career

[DannyOcean_]

Full Tilt Poker Game #4251203893: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (32253289), Table 1 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:37:19 ET - 2007/11/21

Seat 4: MrDannyOcean (1,455)
Seat 6: HoganPoker (1,680)
Seat 7: DrumTim (10,365)
DrumTim posts the small blind of 300
MrDannyOcean posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #6

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDannyOcean [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
<font color="red">HoganPoker raises to 1,680, and is all in</font>
DrumTim calls 1,380
MrDannyOcean: lol
MrDannyOcean has requested TIME
MrDannyOcean folds


What say you STTF? I was bubble-ish in like 5 tables and didnt have the time to properly think much. I haven't run it through SNGWiz though. Without looking at an ICM calculator, what do you think?

[sippin_criss]

I'd whimper and then fold. Obviously isn't close if you had 230 more chips.

[vers]

I had to think about this one for a bit, but w/o calculating it in sngwiz, I would say fold as well b/c we have to beat both opponents obv.

[Tantalus747]

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I'd whimper and then fold. Obviously isn't close if you had 230 more chips.

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Why? If you call and the big stack beats you both you get 2nd as the other shortie was AI 1st, right? If you fold and the shortie wins, you're likely going out 3rd anyway.

I feel like I must me missing something as I know you're someone who gives good advice.

[DetroitHustle]

i dont think it matters who was AI first , i think it matters who had more chips when going all in.
so yeah i agree if we had hogan covered im calling.

[kitaristi0]

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If you call and the big stack beats you both you get 2nd as the other shortie was AI 1st, right?

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No.

[Fishing2do]

what sippin_criss said... if you would have him covered it would be an easy call no matter what.

If Hogan is a great player, I would take the chance and go all-in.. prolly not that bad of an EV play and you should take every +EV chance you can against a good player. Any good player should know that he should go all-in with 1-3bb whenever he got a semi-decent hand/chance. (if this great player will win the hand he'll most likely get us finish 3rd)

If he is a really bad player I'll fold and hope he gets himself booted before I get blinded out. I'd hate losing in this situation. (if the bad player will win the hand he'll most likely find a way to get himself finish 3rd)

Remember though that if you fold this hand, your best result would prolly be finishing 2nd for 2buy-in net profit. If you call &amp; win this hand, your only 2 double ups away from 4buy-in net profit. Obviously your ahead of both players ranges.

tuff hand though, thanks for posting. It would make my mind go crazy if I get this situation at the tables, but it's fun to see on the forum [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Tantalus747]

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If you call and the big stack beats you both you get 2nd as the other shortie was AI 1st, right?

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No.

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Wow, I'm embarrassed. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Now I'm wondering how much that stupid idea has cost me multitabling and not watching results.

[eurythmech]

I dunno, I think I'd call it. It actually gives us a decent shot at winning the tourney, which should be worth something.

[HajiShirazu]

SNG wiz is weird on this one. It says to call with any two and that folding AQs is a -10% fold here.
I turned simulate future games off and it says to call with JJ+ and calling here is -1.5%. I think that's probably right.