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#12
10-14-2007, 08:24 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
the only hand CO will be shoving that we are ahead of is AKhh, which is not a HUGE part of his range. As bad as this may be im calling this raise and folding to further aggression by CO, probably a leak
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#13
10-14-2007, 10:48 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
I think calling here is terrible. If I am a 16/14 CO I salivate at you calling (oooooh dead money!!!) and shove ANY made hand, figuring BB to be generally weak or drawing and KNOWING that hero is folding because he is more or less announcing that with his call play here.
If CO can fold a big hand here (I think a shove on top of BB's lead looks damn scary, but a call looks super weak...), I shove. If I don't think so, I fold. Calling, to me, looks like serious donation. Plus, what the hell do you do if CO calls behind, aside from vomit?
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#14
10-14-2007, 11:13 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
I fold. I think someone has you beat on the flop (probably with a higher pair) and you are way behind. If you played this out to the river and won I would really like to see the hand history.
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#15
10-14-2007, 11:15 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter No real reads on CO, other then 16/14/3 over 60 hnds. The two shorties were the reason that I was at the table, but they have lost most of their stacks since I've been here. I'll lay the hand out decision by decision, since this hand was pretty sick.... BTN: $25.30 SB: $48.10 BB: $18.55 Hero (UTG): $49.25 CO: $57.10 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.75</font>, BTN calls $6.75, SB folds, BB calls $6.25, Hero calls $4.75 Flop: ($27.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $11.80 and is All-In</font>, Hero??? [/ QUOTE ] u dont have implied odds calling with jj if that was your plan so I guess I snap call this?
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#17
10-14-2007, 11:27 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter No real reads on CO, other then 16/14/3 over 60 hnds. The two shorties were the reason that I was at the table, but they have lost most of their stacks since I've been here. I'll lay the hand out decision by decision, since this hand was pretty sick.... BTN: $25.30 SB: $48.10 BB: $18.55 Hero (UTG): $49.25 CO: $57.10 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.75</font>, BTN calls $6.75, SB folds, BB calls $6.25, Hero calls $4.75 Flop: ($27.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $11.80 and is All-In</font>, Hero??? [/ QUOTE ] 1. Hop in time machine 2. Go back 2 minutes 3. Open fold 4. Profit As played folding sucks, calling sucks more, and shoving sucks the most.
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#18
10-14-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
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[ QUOTE ] Ask youself why did you call preflop and flop is going to be sooooo easy. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I'm folding [/ QUOTE ] Don't think this what Corksah was getting at....but ok
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#19
10-14-2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter No real reads on CO, other then 16/14/3 over 60 hnds. The two shorties were the reason that I was at the table, but they have lost most of their stacks since I've been here. I'll lay the hand out decision by decision, since this hand was pretty sick.... BTN: $25.30 SB: $48.10 BB: $18.55 Hero (UTG): $49.25 CO: $57.10 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.75</font>, BTN calls $6.75, SB folds, BB calls $6.25, Hero calls $4.75 Flop: ($27.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $11.80 and is All-In</font>, Hero??? [/ QUOTE ] 1. Hop in time machine 2. Go back 2 minutes 3. Open fold 4. Profit As played folding sucks, calling sucks more, and shoving sucks the most. [/ QUOTE ] lol, I actually think you did a fairly good job of explaining the situation
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#20
10-14-2007, 11:36 AM
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Re: JJ OOP, 3-bet pot 4 ways.....and mayhem ensues
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Ask youself why did you call preflop and flop is going to be sooooo easy. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I'm folding [/ QUOTE ] Don't think this what Corksah was getting at....but ok [/ QUOTE ] I assumed he was saying you were calling for set value, if not then I completely misunderstood. willyc outlines pretty well, when you're playing all your options seem pretty bad
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