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Old 08-30-2007, 02:27 AM
ZeeJustin ZeeJustin is offline
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Doyle and his son Todd have been at the same table before, and from what I can see, Doyle finds it great fun to play against his son.

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That's not the case. Doyle was at my starting table in the 50k HORSE. 10 minutes in, someone asked who the empty seat belonged to, and the floor found out it was Todd's seat.

The floor said they can only switch family at the start of the tournament. They can't do it mid tournament because it creates an unfair advantage. For example, it is advantageous for Barry and Joe (both obviously strong players) to want to be at different tables, thus decreasing their chances of being at a tough table.

Doyle was extremely mad (although polite, don't get me wrong). He explained that it was literally impossible to not softplay your own son, even if you are trying not to. The TD was willing to listen, and decided he could make an exception since Todd had not yet sat down at the table. When he arrived 20 minutes later, he was moved.

P.S. BRUTAL finish for Joe [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] He had to lose two 70/30's to finish 7th. This is the 2nd time he's finished 7th in a WPT. I've finished 7th too, and I can tell you it SUCKS to bubble the TV table, especially when it takes two bad beats to happen.
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:26 AM
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joe did take some nasty beats. but he really spewed off a loaaad of chips.

when he 3bet in the 66 hand to ten billion chips i thought "wow wtf is he doing?" and then when he got shoved on by someone left to act it was just like "lol gotcha".

also i hated his river shove "valueshove"/bluff against SJL. it looked like a complete blowup to me. he looked like he wanted to throw up after those two hands, and rightly so, as he was over 2M w/ 14 people left.

i had the nut table draw avoiding schneider, pham, and harrington, but frustratingly never got the chips under me to take advantage of it.
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Old 08-30-2007, 01:17 PM
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in a hand that many observers thought was a pot committed hand.

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So observers now have the right to dictate how players play?
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:42 PM
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For all future WPT events, just a FYI to tournament directors :

I am teammates with Patrick Antonious and Phil Ivey.
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:46 PM
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I don't think what Doyle said is true (about it being impossible to soft play against your own son), I know for me, I hate playing at the same table as my son, because the opposite happens. He's a bit of a maniac player, and we end up playing hyper agressive against each other. One way or the other, one of us normally ends up knocking the other out.

As for Doyle, I guess I was watching some thing on TV, where he was at the same table as his son, and he bluffed him, and got away with it. He really seemed to enjoy the fact he was outplaying his son there.
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:56 PM
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For all future WPT events, just a FYI to tournament directors :

I am teammates with Patrick Antonious and Phil Ivey.

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You just don't get it.

It's the playing cartels. One day one of the
underlings donks all his chips to his backer.
Backer wins the tournament.
Poker will never survive the scandal. It will
be worst than the basketball ref betting on
games he officiated.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:40 PM
THAY3R THAY3R is offline
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That happens all the time, and your proposal will never work since the true scum that cheat this way would not divulge their horses.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: father and son on same table

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For all future WPT events, just a FYI to tournament directors :

I am teammates with Patrick Antonious and Phil Ivey.

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You just don't get it.

It's the playing cartels. One day one of the
underlings donks all his chips to his backer.
Backer wins the tournament.
Poker will never survive the scandal. It will
be worst than the basketball ref betting on
games he officiated.

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most backers understand ICM enough that having both of them in there is wayy more +EV then one with all the chips.
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Old 08-31-2007, 02:45 AM
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The casinos are experts a spotting cheats and card
counters in blackjack. In poker it's not the casino's
money, so they don't care. If they wanted to, they
could detect possible collusion.

There are other ways for teams to cheat other than
dumping. Some one will figure it out.
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:41 PM
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Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong and stupid.

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lol! [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
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