Extracting value from an idiot

Khaos4k · #1 08-09-2007, 02:47 PM

This is not a multi-hand post. The first two are just examples of this villains play. He is a calling station that is overly aggro.

The 3rd hand is my problem hand. Villain has a very wide range here. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($26.85)
SB ($86)
BB ($91.10)
Hero ($49)
MP ($18.55)
CO ($59.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, BB raises to $3, CO folds, Button calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Button bets $5, SB folds, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Button checks.

River: ($19.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $21, Button calls $18.85 (All-In).

Final Pot: $57.20

Results in white below: 
BB has As Qs (high card, ace).
Button has Js Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $57.20. BB wins $2.15. 

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MP ($37.55)
CO ($66.55)
Button ($86.35)
Hero ($56.20)
BB ($34.50)
UTG ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO folds, Button calls $7.

Flop: ($21) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($21) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

River: ($41) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $61

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qc (one pair, queens).
Button has Kc As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $61. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($63.85)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($65.35)
Hero ($86.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10.

River: ($36.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $16.5, Hero calls $16.50.

Final Pot: $69.75

TheSalche · #2 08-09-2007, 03:29 PM

Erm what? Who's the idiot here?

On that 2nd hand your turn bet sizing is meh, but your river bet sizing is horrible, at least half pot VB!

The hand in question I'd check behind the turn for pot control ... although I guess flop min-raise could be a flush draw which would be bad to give a free card for. However the river is a fold with third pair and the flush card coming.

Khaos4k · #3 08-09-2007, 04:08 PM

I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

Khaos4k · #4 08-09-2007, 04:15 PM

And yes, I'll admit I have trouble playing against maniacs.

TheSalche · #5 08-09-2007, 05:45 PM

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I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

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This is an odd line of thinking and I just realized you have an oxymoron in your OP when you said "villain is a calling station who is overly aggro." That doesn't make any sense. Did you mean calling station preflop and aggressive postflop?

aka_bebel · #6 08-09-2007, 05:51 PM

I hate it.Check behind on the TURN and call a small bet on a safe river.Fold to a big bet
In the hand the river is a fold.

Covert Ops... · #7 08-09-2007, 05:55 PM

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I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

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I don't think this is the best way to approach these types of players. From my experience, these players rarely raise and just call down to the river to see if they win. They don't like thinking that they might have been bluffed so they just call and call and call JUST INCASE your trying to bluff them.

Against these players, i'm value betting every street, and if i get raised, i'm usually folding my hand unless it is HUGE

shoxbb6 · #8 08-09-2007, 05:57 PM

Bet the flop in the second hand. Need to build a pot versus a calling station.

Bonesy · #9 08-09-2007, 06:07 PM

The first two hands don't indicate that villain is aggro at all, let alone overly aggro. I'll take your word for it. 3rd hand I would probably check the turn and call a reasonable bet on the river on a blank and maybe a psb if all the draws missed. As played, I would fold the river. His range may be very wide but this is an awful card for you.

Khaos4k · #10 08-09-2007, 07:00 PM

BB is villain in hand 1. A PSB bluff doesn't seem overly aggro?