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08-05-2007, 08:55 AM
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Re: ($1050) EPT qualifier call possible resteal from SB w/ AT?
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Thoughts on shoving here? [/ QUOTE ] Considering hero was busted with 62o and for all BB knows hero is some spastic maniac i think its a viable option. 
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#13
08-05-2007, 12:02 PM
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Re: ($1050) EPT qualifier call possible resteal from SB w/ AT?
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[ QUOTE ] Thoughts on shoving here? [/ QUOTE ] Considering hero was busted with 62o and for all BB knows hero is some spastic maniac i think its a viable option. [/ QUOTE ] IMO open-shoving here is far superior to raise/folding
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#15
08-05-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: ($1050) EPT qualifier call possible resteal from SB w/ AT?
If raise/calling is bad, how can shoving be better?
Both plays are +chips, but we've now had the bad luck to run into a guy with a hand. Raise/calling is only bad if his shoving range is way ahead of our hand. Because when he shoves, we only need 41% equity to call, and still can't do it. The middle of DJK and Stealth's ranges is a re-shove about 7% of the time. If shoving tightens his range, we're losing around 2.4k chips on average when called. Raise/Fold is -1k obviously. He's re-raising so infrequently that shoving can't tighten his range enough that the added -1.4k is overcome by the extra times he folds and we pick up 825. (As his range gets tighter, we become bigger and bigger dogs too.) If shoving makes his range wider, it has to get quite a bit wider, because we need 47% equity when called on an open shove to break even. That gets back to a 55+,A5s+,A5o+ kind of range. Also, breaking even on a shove is worse than getting the blinds (when we just raise), so we really need a bit higher than 47%. I think the 62o play does have an effect on his range though. Obviously he had more chips then and you had less, but he called with A5o. Here you raise 1k, which is a pretty small raise, why wouldn't he think he could get you to fold by shoving? Plus possible tilt / wanting to get back at you.
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#17
08-05-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: ($1050) EPT qualifier call possible resteal from SB w/ AT?
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Thoughts on shoving here? [/ QUOTE ] I think this is probably what I should have done. I guess I was thinking this was as good a spot as any to double up though because of what happened last orbit but really avoiding confrontations with middling hands in satellites is the best thing to do. By the way, there were 25 people left in the tournament with the top 10 getting the spot. However, the structure is quite slow so we were still far from the bubble and I was only in about 19th or so. Ryan
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#18
08-05-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: ($1050) EPT qualifier call possible resteal from SB w/ AT?
Ryan, see my post above.
Shoving makes it easy because you don't have to make a decision, but that doesn't mean it's better. If you think it widens his range (quite a bit, as I show in the post above) then great, shove. If you think his range is wide either way, it doesn't really matter which you do, but you should call after raising. If it's tight either way, raise/fold. Personally, I think raising gives the impression he could make you fold with a shove and is going to widen his range some. Given your 62o play, maybe a lot. ATo is WAY ahead of what he expects you to have. (Do people consider ATo on the button middling?) I don't think you should be avoiding a chance at a double up here either. You're near the bottom and there's a long way to go.
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