Misplayed on every street?

[ProfessorBen]

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I am actually surprised that no one is having any issue with open limping with 88 even UTG.

I would've raised on turn trying to knock MP2 out and trying to get a free showdown. As played, folding river is fine, but I usually pay off, since that's what I do.

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Limping 88 is a good choice and maybe even standard UTG given the description of the game.

Also, raising the turn is HORRIBLE when we get 3-bet and happens alot on this board when BB has a 5, 87, 99/66 or when MP has 99, because we need to call for our ~6 outs.

Edit: He has these holdings ALOT because of his flop CC and the board texture.

[brick]

I think PF and River are correct so you didn't misplay every street. I usually check-raise / lead the turn here.

3-betting the flop is a good option depending on reads at the time.

[WMB]

sometimes in these spots i will bet the flop, as you did, assuming my eights are good, but fold to MP2's raise unless i had other information, giving him credit for a better pair. I'll forfeit my bet and a half here with a hand that even if best at the moment, is very vulnerable. prudent or weak?

[hicherbie]

without any good reads i overcall here. its a mighty big pot and you can still hope theyre total idiots.

[Vehn]

given your image I would bullet 3 bet the flop

given that you didn't I would bullet raise the turn

given that you didn't I would seriously consider overcalling the river but its close

[pohuist]

The river fold is correct. The pot is small enough. After thinking a bit, I put BB on 6-7 or 6-8 and MP on 10-10+. He called the turn fearing a straight and bet the river after BB checked. Preflop is also fine given your description of the game.

[Howard Beale]

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given your image I would bullet 3 bet the flop

given that you didn't I would bullet raise the turn

given that you didn't I would seriously consider overcalling the river but its close

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You're a macho, macho man, I see, and I am a sissy.

Anyway, he doesn't have much of an image against these guys since he says he's only got ~30 minutes in the game w/ them.

[Captain R]

It's OK to get bluffed once in a while.

[emerson]

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I've been having nightmares about this hand since Friday. You guys can create a poll if you want to debate which street is more horrific.

Backdrop: I'd just had a rush of premium starting hands, so I'd been raising a lot PF, which, in a game like the Commerce 20, calls attention to itself.

So I get 88 UTG and open-limp this time. Pots have been super-multiway, so I wasn't too worried.

Of course it gets folded to MP2 who raises, button cold-calls, BB calls.

Flop is 655. Checked to me and I donk. MP2 raises, button folds, BB cold-calls. (Quick reads: both are total unknowns; weekend tourists I've never seen before, been playing with them less than 30 minutes). I call.

Turn is 9. BB now donks. I call. MP2 calls.

River is a 4. BB now checks. I check. MP2 quickly bets, BB quickly calls... so I fold.

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Maybe I'm as blind as you. I like your play on every street. On the flop I like your bet because you feel there is a good chance the pre-flop raiser will raise you and make it heads up.

Okay, that doesn't work. BB calls. BB donks the turn, but now you have a straight draw in addition to your other outs. You have to call.

River. No way you can expect to be good in a multi-way pot given the action to this point. I like the fold rather than an overcall.

[emerson]

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I am actually surprised that no one is having any issue with open limping with 88 even UTG.

I would've raised on turn trying to knock MP2 out and trying to get a free showdown. As played, folding river is fine, but I usually pay off, since that's what I do.

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Most of the time I like the raise, but not in the case he described. He's been getting lots of good starting hands and has been raising with great frequency lately. With 88 there are two types of pots you want: heads up or as many players as possible. With his recent raising frequency even the UTG raise will get less respect and is unlikely to fold out most of the field. So limping in and hoping to get good set odds is a good alternative here.