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#21
09-06-2007, 05:01 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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Why do you have this feeling?? Logic would tell me otherwise [/ QUOTE ] Mostly from past experience with Villian. I almost instantly ruled out a better PP because of the lack of a PF cap. Same for AK. I'm not sure villian PF here with KT, so if I'm behind I'm expecting KQ or KJ. Villian also knows if they call I'm firing the turn 100% so I'm expecting a flat call and turn raise at least half the time. 
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#22
09-06-2007, 05:01 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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[ QUOTE ] Had the river not paired I would have checked planning to raise since I dont think A hi is calling a blank river, and he may try to value bet a pocket pair thinking you have A hi... [/ QUOTE ] What cards are you taking this line with? Doesnt a PP bet the turn so arent arent we even more heavily weighted to an A in your opinion? Are you still CR the river if its a boradway or just calling? [/ QUOTE ] def not c/r.. Probabily c/c becuse I think theres more Ax/QJish in his range than pocket pairs and hopefully he'll try to represent that card with air. betting is the better play the heavier you give his weighting to pocket pairs since he will cehck those behind. A PP doesnt always bet the turn because hes afraid of getting check/raised and wants to see a cheap showdown.. However, now that I think about it, your PP is pretty low, so maybe a c/r is pretty thin.. With a hand like JJ/QQ it is by far the best play imo. Maybe I overestimate how thin ppl value bet @ 3/6 tho, in 10/20 stars ppl see any river check by the previous street agresor = A hi unless board is scary.
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#23
09-06-2007, 05:04 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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dont think A hi is calling a blank river, [/ QUOTE ] then why are CR? won tthe only hand that calls be one that beats us? wouldn't it make a flat call better?
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#24
09-06-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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[ QUOTE ] Why do you have this feeling?? Logic would tell me otherwise [/ QUOTE ] Mostly from past experience with Villian. I almost instantly ruled out a better PP because of the lack of a PF cap. Same for AK. I'm not sure villian PF here with KT, so if I'm behind I'm expecting KQ or KJ. Villian also knows if they call I'm firing the turn 100% so I'm expecting a flat call and turn raise at least half the time. [/ QUOTE ] Then 3-bet flop and bet turn... Uve built a nice pot that he has correct odds to draw at on the turn, but he wouldn't/shouldn't with his air. Its funny, 88 is better to 3-bet here than QQ.. QQ you want him to catch up if you think he's bluffing a lot cause hes drawing to 3 outs.. 88 you want him to fold.
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#25
09-06-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
Whats the plan if:
capped on the flop then? Call and fold UI on turn? called, and raised when I lead turn UI? muck?
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#26
09-06-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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[ QUOTE ] dont think A hi is calling a blank river, [/ QUOTE ] then why are CR? won tthe only hand that calls be one that beats us? wouldn't it make a flat call better? [/ QUOTE ] No.. Most people can't fold to a trixy c/r if they have a pair.. Since he didnt cap, if he does have a pair its likely less than yours. PP is a small part of his range, but its in there. If they can fold, you can c/r A hi here. I sometimes do both to feel out how my opponent responds, because these sitautions happen more frequently then you think. Turn check = weakness, so whenever a blank card falls on the river, it allows you to represent a stronger range and puts you in the driver seat. By check/raising the river youve forced them into a "bluff catching" decision and will very very rarely have to worry about getting re-raised. If they check, you dont get value bet when you have ace high. If they bet and fold, you can push them off the best hand If they bet and call, you can get value from your good hands. Im assuming my opponents range is composed of the right hands that id want to be checking the river a lot anyways... Often just betting is the best play if you have a lot of air in your range cause he could be checking the turn planning to call with ace high. Sorry for speaking so generally... dont know if your following.
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#27
09-06-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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Whats the plan if: capped on the flop then? Call and fold UI on turn? called, and raised when I lead turn UI? muck? [/ QUOTE ] Yes.. Although I wouldnt do it against an opponent who was capable of smelling out my BS and adjustign accordingly.. (I would never 3-bet a king here unless trying to level someone) A name that comes to mind on AP who would be capable of this is myles dyson..
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#28
09-06-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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Sorry for speaking so generally... dont know if your following. [/ QUOTE ] Pure gold. Never pass up a chance to pick the brain of a better player. [ QUOTE ] (I would never 3-bet a king here unless trying to level someone) [/ QUOTE ] Turn CR I assume? not afreaid of a check behind for the flush draw?
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#29
09-06-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.
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[ QUOTE ] Sorry for speaking so generally... dont know if your following. [/ QUOTE ] Pure gold. Never pass up a chance to pick the brain of a better player. [ QUOTE ] (I would never 3-bet a king here unless trying to level someone) [/ QUOTE ] Turn CR I assume? not afreaid of a check behind for the flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] Yes turn c/r... And I made a mistake not realizing the flush draw was there..Dont 3-bet if theres a flush draw cause he has hands with equity to cap it. I never take lines with folding if I have decent showdown value, when a flush draw on the flop and it doesnt hit.
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