Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

[adanthar]

Slightly updated to reflect the Scott Tom thing.

Also, stay tuned, more will certainly come out today.

[Berky]

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very nice, excellent for those of us who dont want to trawl through the other thread. ty

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[Gildwulf]

I dugg it

[Ratamahatta]

Nice job, thanks. It's very hard to follow the drama when 100 posts a minute are being made.

[iron81]

I might have missed it, but I'm curious about where Adanthar originally heard that #363 = Scott Tom. Is this person someone he trusts and has the IP address from the excel sheets been matched somewhere besides Adanthar's contact like from 2+2 posts.

[flight2q]

ammbo:
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That letter from AP looks like a prelude to damage control. They distance themselves from Scott Tom (mentioning him by name) and go on to say there is no way anyone can see hole cards in real time.

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The thing that bothers me about each statement AP makes is the possible evasiveness. They don't actually say that it's not possible to see the hole cards in real time. They just say that the game client won't let the players see cards they're not entitled to see. Also, they say there are no "superaccounts", but that could mean merely that there are no accounts with both playing privileges and card viewing privileges.

[The Funky Llama]

has anyone else ever got an excel sheet like this from AP?

Particularly, anyone that has played graycat? If user 363 was also observing everytime graycat (or doubledrag) played, then that would be pretty damning.

[adanthar]

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I might have missed it, but I'm curious about where Adanthar originally heard that #363 = Scott Tom. Is this person someone he trusts

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yes

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has the IP address from the excel sheets been matched somewhere besides Adanthar's contact like from 2+2 posts.

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not directly since that'd be damn near impossible to do. however, the watchdog was busy proving me right at CM yesterday (notice how he hasn't posted since I called him out?)

[1p0kerboy]

I would include the fact that AP looked into the matter, including the tournament that we now have the complete hand history for, and then released a statement saying that they found no evidence of cheating.

Either they are:

1. Dumber than my eight year old.
2. Assisting in the cover-up.

[The Funky Llama]

maybe everyone who has played with graycat or doubledrag should request hand histories to see if they can get an excel file like this.

You'd think that absolute would have corrected whatever mistake caused them to send out the file -- but they are incompetent beyond belief.