Poker as a skill(Need help)

[Lottery Larry]

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If you really think poker is more chance than skill perhaps you also would be willing to post the screen names with the sites you play at...?


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HU for bankrolls, eh?

And as long as you are speaking for me, what else do I think?

[Skallagrim]

Pretty touchy there LL ... Was it too hard to understand the sentences before the one you quoted?

"You really think poker is more chance than skill L-Larry? Perhaps its some other point you disagree with...."

If its not some other point you disagree with, I would imagine that you also think that online poker is rigged, and the world is a really stupid place for not recognizing what an amazing, overpowering intellect you have, and that you think it is really terrible that someone on an internet forum would respond to a snide post with a snide post.

But, as I said, maybe it was some other point you disagree with...

Skallagrim

[Lottery Larry]

This was a good series of articles.

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http://gpsts.org/poker-a-game-of-skill/


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I found the juxtaposition of the first article, followed by the following quote by Lederer, to be rather interesting:

"The beauty of the game is any hand can win under the right circumstances. This is a clear distinction from gambling games like sports betting and casino games. The outcome of those games is almost always a definitive result produced by a final score or the conclusion of a random chance event. The winner is determined by who correctly predicted the right outcome"

Doesn't this seem to read as if Howard is lumping in sports betting with casino gambling? Or, at least, that people not predisposed to be on the "pro-" side may read it that way?


Also, I wonder if there will be any linguistic stumblings for most people, on the use of "skill" to mean "anti-skilled"... or, fish and idiots.

But, those are just nitpick points, not a defamation of the general argument.

Nicely done

[Lottery Larry]

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Pretty touchy there LL ... Was it too hard to understand the sentences before the one you quoted?

"You really think poker is more chance than skill L-Larry? Perhaps its some other point you disagree with...."

If its not some other point you disagree with, I would imagine that you also think that online poker is rigged, and the world is a really stupid place for not recognizing what an amazing, overpowering intellect you have, and that you think it is really terrible that someone on an internet forum would respond to a snide post with a snide post.

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I'M the touchy one? Maybe you shouldn't imagine tone where there is none.... or make broad leaps in interpretation of statements

But, you're on a roll- let me know what ELSE I really think

[Skallagrim]

Cool down. You originally wrote "I'd be interested in seeing the final version of this paper, since I instinctively disagree with the premise."

I read the OP's premise to be poker is a game of skill. From your first post above, it appears you agree with that premise. It would also appear you agree with that premise or you wouldn't challenge people to play "HU for bankrolls."

So what was it you instinctively disagree with?

And please stop ignoring the "IF"s in my statements.

Skallagrim

[Lottery Larry]

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Cool down.

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I am perfectly cool. I wasn't the one who ratcheted up the aggression.


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You originally wrote "I'd be interested in seeing the final version of this paper, since I instinctively disagree with the premise."

I read the OP's premise to be poker is a game of skill.

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Thank you.

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or you wouldn't challenge people to play "HU for bankrolls."

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Is that what I did? Really?

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So what was it you instinctively disagree with?

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I think I'd like YOU to take another crack at what you think I was disagreeing with. Seriously, I think it's important for you to do so. THEN we can discuss what I thought and whether it would be correct.

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And please stop ignoring the "IF"s in my statements.

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If you had really meant "if" when you used it... your implied tone from the words and challenges that you did initiate on your own, in your replies to me, pretty much indicated what your assumptions were..... don't you agree?

Or was that a wildly unsupportable assumption that I just made?

[Skallagrim]

I respond here often, as I am sure you are aware, on the subject of whether poker is a game of chance or a game of skill. It is a subject I believe is extremely important for the future of the game of poker, and so I will take shots at people who claim that poker is a game of chance and who should also know better. A person who has been a member here for over 4 years and has 5K+ posts is not someone I would normally think actually believes poker is a game of chance, and is someone who should know better. But thats what your first post appeared to say. My first post noted that maybe that was not what were trying to say, but IF it was, then you deserved the ribbing.

Peace

Skallagrim

[Lottery Larry]

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I respond here often, as I am sure you are aware, on the subject of whether poker is a game of chance or a game of skill. It is a subject I believe is extremely important for the future of the game of poker, and so I will take shots at people who claim that poker is a game of chance and who should also know better. A person who has been a member here for over 4 years and has 5K+ posts is not someone I would normally think actually believes poker is a game of chance, and is someone who should know better.

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And if all of the above are true, why exactly would you FIRST assume that I was disagreeing with the statement "poker is a game of skill" ?

This back and forth may seem to be pointless, but I think there's a VERY good point for you to consider, Skall.

Just so we don't waste another step, I think it might be helpful to you to look at my statements and your replies and decide if they were warranted.... and if that's, dare I say it, "instinctively" how you want to come across....


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But thats what your first post appeared to say. My first post noted that maybe that was not what were trying to say, but IF it was, then you deserved the ribbing.

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Which is a more likely interpretation of your initial reply to me? What your first reply "noted" and what it said (including context and everything else that is normally in conversation) are pretty disparate, don't you agree?

Or, at least you agree that ONE interpretation of what you typed was more likely that another, more inquisitive, interpretation of intent?


Let's start over:

"I'd be interested in seeing the final version of this paper, since I instinctively disagree with the premise. "

1) What is the premise that LL is instinctively disagreeing with?

2) Why did he use "instinctively" ?

3) Why is he interested in the final version of the paper by the OP?

4) What motiviations of LL's am I assuming, regarding his statement?


Extra credit if you can summarize my interpretation of what poker is.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I suspect his disagrees with the "controlled rate of return" part.

[Lottery Larry]

Hey, don't you have some chores to do? And is YOUR homework done, young man?

'Git!