Phil Gordon's Little Green Book - Preflop Open Amount ... Wha?!

[vapourtrail]

Hi Guys,

Found something very puzzling in the Green Book.

He advocates the following:

When open-raising preflop, you should raise to a larger amount while in LATE position. ex: open for 3BB UTG, while open for 4.5BB on button.

I was hoping to get some discussion on this. I feel like this is completely backwards...

1) When in EP, you can negate positional disadvantage by getting more money in as early as possible. In the degenerate case where you are all-in preflop, obviously there is no positional disadvantage.

2) When in EP, I don't really mind simply picking up a small pot with muscle, rather than playing tough spots on late streets OOP.

3) When in LP, I don't mind getting called by the blinds as much, as my opponent is then playing bigger pots OOP.

4) When raising less from LP, I also get better odds for stealing the blinds.

Ok, anyways, was wondering if *i* am the one who has been playing backwards... That passage in the Gordon book really caught my eye and am wondering what you guys think ... Thanks a lot , and GL ...

[Lyric]

Did he offer any explanation?

[Dan Bitel]

While I know you wanted a HSNL take on this, not too long ago, we hand a thread about this in SSNL and decided we don't like phil's idea

take a look

[mak15]

i agree with phil. i thought this was standard?

[Durer]

one explanation could be that he wants to play smaller pots out of position because it is harder, and that the early position raise has an inherit power because of the perception that you only raise good hands from early position. I think Thunder Keller wrote something about in Cardplayer magazine before, but i could have that wrong.

edit: Thunder Keller article CPM

interesting...will check/post later

[yellowbastard]

I think (and I hear this from a lot of those "Full Tilt guys" Lederer, Ferguson, ect...) that Phil advocates betting less when he wants to get called and betting more when he doesn't. This make since as he also (obviously) teaches to open in EP with more premium hands and in LP with a wider range.

[edge]

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Phil advocates betting less when he wants to get called and betting more when he doesn't.

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We seriously need a huge rolleyes emoticon.

[shant]

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Phil advocates betting less when he wants to get called and betting more when he doesn't.

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We seriously need a huge rolleyes emoticon.

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[Tulosba]

seriously, any advice given by phil gordon is ignorable.... I have read alot by him and nothing makes sense.