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Old 08-16-2007, 05:04 PM
zalw619 zalw619 is offline
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Default Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

i was dealt: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 way action, UTG raises the pot, I call from the cutoff, the button calls also

FLOP: k [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bets the Pot, I re-raise the pot, the button calls, I think i made a mistake here, cause UTG re-raises and pushes all in, My problem is this? me and the button have similar stacks and he has been gambling all day, I put UTG on set up kings and put the button on the nut flush draw, maybe a straight draw also, My question to myself is that do i really want to play for the rest of my stack and if i'm correct my draw isn't as good because the button's blocking my flush draw, so really i'm playing my wrap draw,

Action. I decide to fold the hand, the Button calls, my reads were right, Turn is Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and river is the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so i would have lost the pot, but did i make the right decision





UTG raiser, bets the pot, I might have made an mistake here but I re-potted, the button calls, UTG shoves his stack Action to me:

Pretty sure that UTG has a set here, tight player usually doesn't put his money in
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Old 08-16-2007, 05:17 PM
TheRempel TheRempel is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

You have up to 14 outs to the nuts. You also have a flush draw which is not likely good, but if you are in a situation where one has top set and the other has TTP or a lower sit you are going to be a big big favorite.

You should not fold. You saved money by making the wrong decision on the flop. There are very few hands that the button can have that have you in bad shape multiway, and if he is willing to overcall with a bare flush draw in this spot you should certainly push.
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Old 08-16-2007, 05:38 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

1) Stack sizes would help. Also, a bit more on styles of play of the other two players.

2) In most cases I probably wouldn't repot the flop unless I had intention of getting it in. whether or not this becomes a call or fold AFTER that depends on how deep you are.
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:43 AM
RoundTower RoundTower is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

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I probably wouldn't repot the flop unless I had intention of getting it in.

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this is the most important bit, but you can never fold this hand on the flop anyway.
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:01 AM
vapourtrail vapourtrail is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

you are getting too good odds even if your spades are dead to fold...
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:50 AM
Sly_Fox Sly_Fox is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

You got the right price just for your st outs in case your flush is dead. Don't be result orientated and in the future get your chips in with this hand.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:10 AM
lucid75 lucid75 is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

I think the only time to repot this is if you can get it all in right there, and have fold equity, or can put dead money in the pot by forcing the guy in the middle to fold. If you're deeper I think this becomes a flat call.
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:33 AM
Elrazor Elrazor is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

i personally dont felt wraps unless i have fold equity or am OOP
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

You've unfortunately got a horrible hand in a 3 way dance. As you said, more often someone has a higher flush draw here which leaves you drawing to something like 8 outs, whilst trying to dodge something like 17 bullets left in the deck.
You usually have odds to call, but barely odds. Your equity will be around 25%.

A quick calculation with most of your straight outs being live shows 30%

Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 7s 6s Kd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 5s Th 8h 204 30.63 462 69.37 0 0.00 0.306
Kc Qd Jd Kh 326 48.95 340 51.05 0 0.00 0.489
As 4s Qc Td 136 20.42 530 79.58 0 0.00 0.204
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:48 PM
tautomer tautomer is offline
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Default Re: Am i To Tiight, Did i really fold this hand? Was i correct

Tough spot, stack sizes are very important here though. I can't see folding this hand unless you and the button are deep and you see no chance that he's folding if you 4-bet the flop.
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