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Old 04-09-2006, 03:47 PM
vapourtrail vapourtrail is offline
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Default top two check raised on river

2/5$ NLHE 5-handed
stacks 500$

UTG limps, button limps, SB completes
I check A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in BB

flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
pot is 20$
SB checks, I bet 20$, all fold, SB calls

turn is 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
pot is 60$
SB checks, I bet 50$, SB calls

river is 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
pot is 160$
SB checks, I bet 100$, SB raises to 315$.

Online, opp just sat down so no strong reads on his play. He is running 48/13pf over 23 hands.

duh, what's going on? thanks guys, looking forward to your input
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

I call. The only thing that I see beating you here is a horribly played set or a flush draw that backdoored a straight.

I like your river bet, by the way. I think a lot of players check there incorrectly.
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Old 04-09-2006, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

thanks karak! i like it when a "pooh-bah" says i play goot

but gosh, is this really too tight of a fold? let me just throw some ideas out:

it does seem unlikely that he has me beat. but the problem i have, is that all of the options seem kind of unlikely.

set - unlikely he checks a set three times on a flush board.

45 for straight - is unlikely he calls with just a gutshot on the flop. but he does pick up OESD on turn.

missed flush bluff - seems like check-raise bluffs on the river are rare. wouldn't he just lead instead? a good portion of the time, a player in my shoes would have just one pair and check for showdown.

"value bet" with worse 2pr - A2/A6 might make sense, he calls with his no-kicker on flop, hoping to hit and/or pick off a club bluff by me...

anyways, i am getting 2.6:1 on the river... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 04-09-2006, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river


You just watched the villian play 12 out of 23 hands, what has he been doing previously?
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Old 04-09-2006, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

Call, I have a hard time seeing what hand he could possibly have that beats you that could play like this.
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

Can be a lower 2p, call.

You played the hand fine intil this btw.
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

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Call, I have a hard time seeing what hand he could possibly have that beats you that could play like this.

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flush draw that backed into a straight is the only thing that comes to mind

if he had a set, man did he play that like crap. its possible he has some other 2paired hand, but a raise on the end with some weak 2pair is out of line in this spot
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

32 clubs? :P
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

sorry, just to be clear the 23 hands was after fact. this specific hand was the fourth he played. the other three, he raised once and took it down preflop, folded twice. so more or less a complete unknown.
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: top two check raised on river

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You played the hand fine intil this btw.
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hi , thanks for the reply - just to be clear, are you advocating checking the river through?
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