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Weirdo turn raise
In a previous hand villain donked MPMK in a blind defense on 97xr, screwplayed an ace turn after I called the flop, and bet the river. So he looks like the type that turns his marginal made hands into bluffs. Only played a couple orbits but he's like mid 30s VP$IP in that sample.
Anyone just fold the turn with the limited read? The worst river card hit, what about if a T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls on the river? PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls. Flop: (6.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls. Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (8.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero folds. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
i usually just fold the turn here.
if I called the turn, I can't call THAT river card. I think you are smoked on the turn though. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
wow.if u ask me.check PF.fold to the first bet after
i don`t like 88 3 handed |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
Well played.
A a lot of semi-bluffing hands got there: Two clubs, JT, AT etc. He might also have a hand like A2 and slowplayed. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
I fold the turn I think. He might find a peel HU with Ax/Kx hands on this board... and 33-77 might play this way... but I'm not sure we have enough hand to call. It's tough coming up with a range since we can't be sure how liberally he peels. I don't hate a call given your preliminary read, but it might be better to wait until you have a better feel for his game.
River seems like an easy fold. I'd probably call T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and fold 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] if I called the turn raise. The T completes a few hands, but I don't think it hurts us too much. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
Hopefully this isnt results oriented, but isnt this a good spot to c/c the turn?
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
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Hopefully this isnt results oriented, but isnt this a good spot to c/c the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Do you really want to let him draw for free here? He may have some 10 outs if we are ahead. Fwiw, I would typically fold the turn here, but I seem to be folding too much. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
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[ QUOTE ] Hopefully this isnt results oriented, but isnt this a good spot to c/c the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Do you really want to let him draw for free here? He may have some 10 outs if we are ahead. Fwiw, I would typically fold the turn here, but I seem to be folding too much. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like hes betting a lot of his drawing hands and charging himself. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hopefully this isnt results oriented, but isnt this a good spot to c/c the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Do you really want to let him draw for free here? He may have some 10 outs if we are ahead. Fwiw, I would typically fold the turn here, but I seem to be folding too much. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like hes betting a lot of his drawing hands and charging himself. [/ QUOTE ] If he has 10 outs and if he takes the free card we lost just 0.55 BB. If we call a raise we loose a full bet. We are not ahead too often. If we can't fold to a raise turn, c/c is probably better. |
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Re: Weirdo turn raise
turn is close but I think we can fold. a slowplayed Q is possible and the hands that peel the flop will mostly have an overcard.
as played on the turn you've gots to fold that river imo. worst card in the deck |
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