A couple of draws on the flop

[mustmuck]

The general theme here is having a draw that would be in big trouble vs another draw.


1)

MP1 is aggressive regular, UTG+1 is unknown. If the flop had a FD I'd be folding, right? I assume we pretty much have to go with this one? Push or call?

Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $343.60
UTG+1: $287.10
MP1: $400
MP2: $635.20
MP3: $486
Hero: $950
Button: $189.60
SB: $1974.75
BB: $643.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($108, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $105</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises all-in $382</font>, Hero ...

2)

No real reads.

Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $474
UTG+1: $912.66
Hero: $1202.40
Button: $883.57
SB: $715.30
BB: $564.36

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $33</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($138, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $135</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $540</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $879.66</font>, Hero ...

[chucky]

#1 Hero is drawing to 7 nut outs and 9 non nut outs. Given the action utg+1 probably has TTP or middle/high set, MP+1 may have a wrap that dominates you. I dont see enough outs to put them allin.
#2 You are drawing to 8 nut outs. I dont think your diamonds are live, for what its worth I dont think either has set of aces.

[mustmuck]

Chucky,

I thought 1 was a bit closer than you're making out, largely because of the fact that it looks like it's going three way?

The diamonds suck in hand two. Probably makes it a fold.

[DonCologne]

Both draws are worth to play heads up, but not in a three way situation with a bet and a raise (or an reraise) in front of you.

[chucky]

The thing with straight draws is that multiway, you should expect at least a couple of your outs in other players hands. Multiway pots can also be problematic because some of your draws may be to split pots. It would be better if more of your outs were nut outs. I am not saying you never win, but I think there are other times. If you knew your opponents had naked ttp and middle set, then your pot equity is 46% or more. However, versus j9xx and qjtx your pot equity is 33%. Given the betting sequence I would give a slightly more cautious view and suggest that your pot equity might be close to 25-30%, which is a fold in my opinion.