PS 5/10 AA vs a regular

[king_of_drafts]

Check/fold, Zio is never getting out of line here. He has a hand with some showdown value but isn't going to turn it into a bluff and is unlikely to call another bet.

[jlkrusty]

I think you have to call. Even if his range is as tight as this:

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17 games 0.005 secs 3,400 games/sec

Board: 4h 4s 3c 5c Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.176% 41.18% 00.00% 7 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 58.824% 58.82% 00.00% 10 0.00 { KK, 66-33, AKs }

...it's an easy call

Heck, remove all the AKs hands:

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16 games 0.005 secs 3,200 games/sec

Board: 4h 4s 3c 5c Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.500% 37.50% 00.00% 6 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 62.500% 62.50% 00.00% 10 0.00 { KK, 66-33 }

...and it's still a call.

You could make an argument for pushing and hoping he has AK. However, I don't see him floating AK on both the flop and the turn very often. That means most of his calls to your all in will be with 33-55 and KK. So, call and showdown the hand.

[Big_Jim]

You realize that your conservative range says that he's bluffing 2/3 of the time, right?

[True]

I think this is a pretty easy check/fold.

I am not sure I even like the turn, you are literally targetting just 66 or 77 and he will fold all floats.

I have tried shoving rivers like this vs thinking players when I think their range is more geared to pocket pairs and they always fold.

[stigmata]

As soon as I noticed that he cold-called preflop, I realised it was an easy check-fold: his play just stinks of a small pocket pair. What hands, from a decent regular, cold-call a raise and re-raise preflop, then call large turn and river bets versus an obvious big overpair? What other hands do this?

The way to beat these set-miners is by attrition: find good folds with your overpairs. That way your not offering them the 1/7.5 odds they think they have to flop a set.

[jfish]

this is sick, i would never even consider any other line than shoving here. honestly even knowing c/f is a reasonable line here has opened up my game quite a bit.

edit: im curious what if river was an offsuit 2.

[illuminati]

jfish,

Doesn't a river 2 esentially equal AA here in terms of relative hand strength?

[fsuplayer]

this thread is making my head hurt.

did everyone forget we had AA?

wtf


callcalalalclalclaclalalalalallacalllllllllllll


edit: should have shoved river first anyways.

[TheWorstPlayer]

id shove the river the first time. but now that i didn't, i'd get it in for sure.

btw, this is a sweet spot to shove the turn, IMO.

[fsuplayer]

im pretty sure this river bet puts him ai.