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#101
10-30-2007, 03:42 PM
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Re: JJ vs. thac - NL$100
Okay, AZ didn't really describe our history well. Here are the three hands we've played together that I feel are meaningful. I have AZ at 21/15 over 500 hands. He seems to want to sit at my tables but maybe that's because I have good table selection and there's always some fish at my tables (or maybe I'm the fish).
These hands are in sequential order, the hand in the OP was after all of these. ------------------ HAND #1 ------------------ <font color="blue">This was the first hand I have played with AZ, I figured he knew I was raising the limper light. He knows me, and I know him, and we both know we're decent 2+2 regulars. So I shove and he folds.</font> Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (BTN): $131.15 SB: $98.50 BB: $112.90 UTG: $31.50 MP: $343.20 CO: $112.05 Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, CO calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $131.15 and is All-In</font>, SB folds Results: $30 Pot Hero mucked A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $30 (+$16 NET) ------------------ HAND #2 ------------------ <font color="blue">This is the hand AZ talked about in his OP. I feel that the action of this hand is important in deciding Hero's turn line in the OP. It played out pretty standard but it's pretty good to see how it went in.</font> Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $194.85 SB: $109.20 BB: $136.15 UTG: $60.35 MP: $165.30 Hero (CO): $100 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN calls $4, SB folds, BB calls $3 Flop: ($12.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $96 and is All-In</font>, BB calls $58 Turn: ($204.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($204.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $204.50 Pot ($3 Rake) BB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Twos) and LOST (-$100 NET) Hero showed J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Tens) and WON $201.50 (+$101.50 NET) ------------------ HAND #3 ------------------ <font color="blue">This was a hand where I didn't feel AZ was bluffing, and after he won the pot he said something like "The double barrel took it down." or something similar. Something to mention that he knew I was floating pretty light.</font> Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (BTN): $235.05 SB: $145.50 BB: $236.05 UTG: $100 CO: $241.65 Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) <font color="red">UTG raises to $3.50</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50 Flop: ($11) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8, BB folds Turn: ($27) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $18</font>, Hero folds Results: $27 Pot ($1.35 Rake) UTG mucked and WON $25.65 (+$14.15 NET) ---- So with that I'll let you guys discuss further. 
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#104
10-30-2007, 04:15 PM
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Re: JJ vs. thac - NL$100
There's no way that these hands set up enough history to profitably stack off or call down with JJ on this turn. H3 is a super standard floating spot, and completely different in texture. H2 advises against C/RAI turn, because it makes it less likely for thac to bet Queens, or more likely to call with them if he does decide to bet.
I'm sure C/RAI would be fun if we had the Jd or if the turn was a brick, but I'm sticking with c/f here.
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#105
10-30-2007, 04:23 PM
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Re: JJ vs. thac - NL$100
[ QUOTE ]
thac, I'm at work so don't have the hh, but I thought your line was pretty interesting here so feel free to post results if you've got them. [/ QUOTE ] Basically, I figured AZ is pretty strong or pretty weak when he bet again, without a diamond I would've raised the turn, but I didn't want him to fold a high diamond in case another one came because I felt I could get another bet out of him. I think checking the river was a mistake because he never has a hand that beats me when he checks, but here's the results: Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP: $129.15 CO: $99.60 Hero (BTN): $100 SB: $243.30 BB: $203.50 UTG: $100 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) <font color="red">UTG raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds Flop: ($8.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7 Turn: ($22.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14 River: ($50.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, Hero checks Results: $50.50 Pot ($2.50 Rake) Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON $48 (+$23.50 NET) UTG showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$24.50 NET)
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#107
10-30-2007, 04:36 PM
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Re: JJ vs. thac - NL$100
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[ QUOTE ] I think checking the river was a mistake because he never has a hand that beats me when he checks [/ QUOTE ] what about KK? is he betting the river with KK? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, because I check behind my 1-pair hands and bet my flushes, so it's putting him in a tough spot if I bet because my range is polarized to nuts or air I think.
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#108
10-30-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: JJ vs. thac - NL$100
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[ QUOTE ] thac, I'm at work so don't have the hh, but I thought your line was pretty interesting here so feel free to post results if you've got them. [/ QUOTE ] Basically, I figured AZ is pretty strong or pretty weak when he bet again, without a diamond I would've raised the turn, but I didn't want him to fold a high diamond in case another one came because I felt I could get another bet out of him. I think checking the river was a mistake because he never has a hand that beats me when he checks, but here's the results: Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP: $129.15 CO: $99.60 Hero (BTN): $100 SB: $243.30 BB: $203.50 UTG: $100 Pre-Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds Flop: ($8.50) Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7 Turn: ($22.50) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14 River: ($50.50) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, Hero checks Results: $50.50 Pot ($2.50 Rake) Hero showed Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON $48 (+$23.50 NET) UTG showed J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$24.50 NET) [/ QUOTE ] So what exactly was the plan on the turn az? I think the turn bet is bad regardless of whether you are b/f or b/c but b/c is probably better than b/f. I'm assuming you are trying to rep a double barrel bluff but the board isn't that great for a double barrel bluff. An Thac I would say that you definitely missed some value on the river here.
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