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Old 05-01-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

Villain is 20/4/.82 over a large sample

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($49.50)
BB ($22.40)
UTG ($17.25)
Hero ($50)
CO ($146.35)
Button ($69.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($6) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $20</font>
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

yikes. Looks like you're in trouble. With those stats he's prob not pushing a flush draw and can't be that thrilled with top pair like A7. He wouldn't have called you oop with any two pair possibility. If he had 88/99 he would prob dumb it with all this heat. He has a set. He barely doubled your raise too. Tough lay down...but I think you have to.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

I have a hard time laying these hands down, but I think it's usually the right thing to do in these cases. He's screaming he can beat one pair, and he's normally passive so it makes a draw less likely. One thing, even some tight or passive players will play A7 or 99 here like this, so a read can change this from a fold. Also, occasionally a tag will get out of line because he knows your also a tag - so note this tendency. But without a read, my default play is normally to fold.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

Does a 20/4 really call with 22, 33, or 77 out of position? I guess you have to take into account what he thinks about you. Have you been playing aggro, or pretty solid? I don't see any reason why he can't be doing this with JJ-AA, and obviously we take KK out of there. I would take any 2 pair out of his range as well. I think in this spot I push and if he has a set here, or AA, I get stacked.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

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Does a 20/4 really call with 22, 33, or 77 out of position?

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Yes. Absolutely.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

A 20/4 definitely calls with ANY pp from ANY position
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

Fold.

BTW I think calling is a very viable play on this flop.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

Also, bet/3-bet is a pretty standard monster line, especially if he knows you're aggressive enough to raise donkbets liberally.
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Old 05-01-2007, 09:00 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

Take the bus to all-inville. Folding is not an option.
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Old 05-01-2007, 09:03 PM
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Default Re: what to do on flop KK vs tight guy action on flop

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Take the bus to all-inville. Folding is not an option.

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what does the flop have to be for an overpair to fold on it?
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