Purposely scratching in 8-ball? - Page 3

rowdyclassmate · #21 08-26-2007, 08:25 PM

Thanks for the replies guys! I was too wasted to really think of making a safety shot, so I just scratched. I thought, for bar games, that it was ball in hand behind the "mark." Not ball in hand for the entire table. In that case, yes, I can see how silly it is to purposely scratch if s/he has just the 8-ball left.

And yes, it was in the Midwest. =)

Idiotex · #22 08-26-2007, 08:49 PM

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Legal, except for the fact that there is no "mark" that he can't take the ball behind; that rule only applies on the break. If you foul, he can put the ball anywhere he wants.

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Space Ace is right, but professional American tournaments do not operate under these rules generally. I believe they stick with ball in hand as they do in 9-ball.

h_ven · #23 08-26-2007, 11:50 PM

Here's one for you.

Say you're getting killed and have a ton of balls left. You happen to have a clean shot on the 8 ball. Bet your oppenent that he won't get to shoot again this rack. Pocket the 8 ball, take the loss, and win the bet.

wtf6192002 · #24 08-27-2007, 01:56 AM

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In bar pool, you won't get punished as badly for scratching, as the opponent has to hit from behind the spot.

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won't get punished as badly? it's actually a HUGE ADVANTAGE depending on the table situation

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? Its a huge advantage that you MUST hit it from behind the line and not from anywhere on the table that you would like. Which would also include behind the line but also all other posibilities.

Iplayragstoo · #25 08-27-2007, 02:21 AM

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Legal, except for the fact that there is no "mark" that he can't take the ball behind; that rule only applies on the break. If you foul, he can put the ball anywhere he wants.

SpaceAce

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Space Ace is right, but professional American tournaments do not operate under these rules generally. I believe they stick with ball in hand as they do in 9-ball.

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All the major leagues in the US - BCA, APA, ACS, TAP, Vally, all use ball in hand on fouls. The only time its not ball in hand is if you scratch on the break. This prevents the situation you were in. It also promotes defensive shots which were frowned on by your typical "bar" players who don't play leagues. It also will stop the BS plays of players "tapping" the cue ball only an inch instead of going for a proper hit (your object ball and getting a rail after the hit)I have seen more then one fight over someone playing a defensive shot in a game. I see the most fights over someones quarters placed on the table for the next game.

Iplayragstoo · #26 08-27-2007, 02:23 AM

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Here's one for you.

Say you're getting killed and have a ton of balls left. You happen to have a clean shot on the 8 ball. Bet your oppenent that he won't get to shoot again this rack. Pocket the 8 ball, take the loss, and win the bet.

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Correct call, but good luck getting paid. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

suzzer99 · #27 08-27-2007, 02:26 AM

I'm not talking bar league pool, I'm talking bar drunk dumbasses around the table pool. You can take a defensive shot, but you better pretend you're really shooting at something.

Quadstriker · #28 08-27-2007, 02:49 AM

Play ball in hand or don't play.

suzzer99 · #29 08-27-2007, 03:01 AM

You play by the bar rules or don't play.

youtalkfunny · #30 08-27-2007, 04:10 AM

I wouldn't play 8-ball without a signed contract, in advance, agreeing to every possible ruling.

I once had a guy tell me "You lose! You didn't call 'bank shot'!" when I made a simple, straight in shot on the 8. It was near the rail, about two diamonds away from the pocket. It made contact with that rail on its way in.

That was 20 years ago. I haven't played 8-ball since.