defending vs squeeze: options, options..

[catcher193]

I'd rather call and shove if you flop any equity at all, or 4 bet/call, but I like the first option more with this hand.
I like the second option with 66.
4 bet/fold is for 76o and K8o, nits. and should be done against select opponents (IE when you make money on the pure bluff math (265 to win 220, 2.65:2.2 favorite to win p/f))

oh and, just noticed you colcalled originally which obv matters I like call/shove most flops and don't think its too close. By most flops I mean 763 is good, any flushdraw obv, 446, KJ3, just cant shove on like K44 IMO.

[MatthewRyan]

Honestly i would fold AT, reverse implied odds man. you know his range has stuff like AJs+ right and JJ+ that will own you on a ton of flops if u call/shove.

However, if you determine its the time to play back with Ats I would not RR (u called otb so your hands looks like what it is). the most I think about it I would just fold preflop seriously, I dont like any options

[catcher193]

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However, if you determine its the time to play back with Ats

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he is making this assumption, what you said before should be obvious

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I would not RR (u called otb so your hands looks like what it is).

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agree

[fees]

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I like calling and shoving a lot of flops. 4betting is pretty meh, you're going to get looked up pretty lightly.

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[novel20]

"if we take it for a given that i AM going to do something here, what is best? note we are 120bb deep. please list reasons."

OP is asking if he has decided to do something to try to WIN this pot, what would be the best action.

How can you fold and win?

[MATT111]

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trying too hard to play back at a squeezer, 335 fold to a shove is your best option, getting it in pre here is a disaster.

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This is very wrong.

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ok.

except no, lol.

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I agree with ship ship, idk either how it is very wrong.

But it goes well with my game because i always do a small 4bet with monsters and medium hands if i think someone is 3betting light.

Explain how this is very wrong??

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If we 3bet to 335 we have to call 700 more if he shoves. Even if he only shoves hand that dominate us (AQ+,TT+) we have 30% equity. So it never ever is a disaster to get it in here pre.

[Herrigel]

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trying too hard to play back at a squeezer, 335 fold to a shove is your best option, getting it in pre here is a disaster.

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This is very wrong.

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ok.

except no, lol.

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I agree with ship ship, idk either how it is very wrong.

But it goes well with my game because i always do a small 4bet with monsters and medium hands if i think someone is 3betting light.

Explain how this is very wrong??

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If we 3bet to 335 we have to call 700 more if he shoves. Even if he only shoves hand that dominate us (AQ+,TT+) we have 30% equity. So it never ever is a disaster to get it in here pre.

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It is 857 to call, to win 1577, thus we need 35% if my math is right. Though "disaster" is probably exaggerated.

[Isura]

Haven't read thread. But I'd call and play poker.

[MATT111]

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trying too hard to play back at a squeezer, 335 fold to a shove is your best option, getting it in pre here is a disaster.

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This is very wrong.

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ok.

except no, lol.

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I agree with ship ship, idk either how it is very wrong.

But it goes well with my game because i always do a small 4bet with monsters and medium hands if i think someone is 3betting light.

Explain how this is very wrong??

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If we 3bet to 335 we have to call 700 more if he shoves. Even if he only shoves hand that dominate us (AQ+,TT+) we have 30% equity. So it never ever is a disaster to get it in here pre.

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It is 857 to call, to win 1577, thus we need 35% if my math is right. Though "disaster" is probably exaggerated.

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CO has 1021. It`s a little less than 700 for us to call.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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Haven't read thread. But I'd call and play poker.

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this is the best post in the thread, i think it'd be really awkward to call and play backgammon or bridge