pretty gross AA decision vs tough lag

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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i wouldnt 3b flop

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yeah, but don't you fold tens on a board of unders for like 1/4 pot bets?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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3-betting flop this deep is pretty suicidal.

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yeah i mean i 3bet flops a lot more than most but this deep you're really hoping that he goes from "very crazy lag" to "one of the craziest people ever" if you plan on plaing abig pot with your money getting in good

[Lucky]

I like a 3 bet on flop. If you don't do that, you pretty pretty much have to raise all in on turn, or you're play is exploitable against this guy.

I actually prefer a flop raise though because.

1. You tame this guy a bit in future against you.
2. You're probably ahead or at least near even money against a huge draw he might have.
3. You're not going to like so many turn cards.
4. He's tricky. You want to put him to decisions, not the other way around.

[Trivial]

couple thoughts, tough hand.

while i'm tempted to take this line to maintain control i think a flop 3 bet on this board is better under different circumstances (for instance, if we raise UTG+1 and this villain is the sole caller from the BB) where we would tend to make this play with a wider range to exert maximum pressure. in this situation however i feel that he can show up with a lot of suited junk and several 5x's (well amongst a ton of other hands) given the description so i want to keep the pot a bit smaller and encourage bluffs even if flatting his raise does narrow our hand range somewhat.

once he fires this specific turn i am quite concerned. for he will realize that on this board we are often shoving over or folding to his bet, and given stack sizes this will not allow him to call with any draws he may possess, which would be a fairly gross misjudgement on his part. so i think he's further narrowed to hands > AA and air now? without any knowledge on his barrelling tendencies i'm not really sure whether a turn fold or call/decide on river is best here.

[luegofuego]

no i still dont understand a flop 3bet. if we think he fires $300 on the turn with his entire range, why would we say no to that and make him give up on his bluff?

[BalugaWhale]

dude just call call call and say shtt if he sucked out somewhere along the way

if he's bluffing, there are a lot of cards he thinks are "scare cards" and will go bombs away too. at least if he's somewhat spewy like you said.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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3-betting flop this deep is pretty suicidal.

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against a spewy lag? what a joke. i think you can go either way, depending on image, dynamics, recent history, etc. but saying it's "suicidal" is just retarded. once he bets turn big, though, i'd call and re-eval river (potentially folding to a shove).

[KingDan]

If you had total air, would you consider it a good board to 3bet bluff flop? I wouldn't.

[TheWorstPlayer]

exactly. he's not folding TT here. or even 77.

[omikron]

If you are 3betting this flop you are committed to stacking off on the flop as you cannot fold to a push given the large number of draws.

That said, if this occurs you do not perform well against his range. So, I'd just call the flop and reevaluate.