AKs, 200bbs, 4bet pot vs a regular

Rotterdaum · #1 02-17-2007, 03:33 AM

Opponent is 20/15. I've been playing pretty straightforward TAG ... 3 betting a fair amount, but not too crazy. Those that play with me know what I mean.

I can't say much more right here ... if there's more specific history with the opponent, I can't remember it.

Let's just hear thoughts on the hand thus far ... what do you think about preflop and flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($298.15)
MP ($422.85)
CO ($238.95)
Hero ($364.65)
SB ($38.40)
BB ($92.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26, 2 folds, MP raises to $72, Hero calls $46.

Flop: ($147) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $88, Hero ...

steel108 · #2 02-17-2007, 03:37 AM

Call flop and re-evaluate turn. Raising will let villan play perfect and only a hand that is killing us is calling a raise. To be honest, I'm pushing all blank turns.

Green Kool Aid · #3 02-17-2007, 03:38 AM

I think call is pretty standard but what do we do when he shoves turn???

cs3 · #4 02-17-2007, 03:41 AM

not a fan of calling his PF 4-bet but i guesss youre fairly deep and have pos, so whatever.

flop looks like easy call. KK and QQ are a huge part of his range so no sense raising and letting him get away easily. any idea if he would 3 bet push any hand you beat?

Marwan · #5 02-17-2007, 03:42 AM

QQ and KK betting this flop sucks, I dunno if Villain would do that

Rotterdaum · #6 02-17-2007, 03:43 AM

Well I did call, turn is a T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and he pushed, $205 to me in a $323 pot. What do you all think. I'll hear thoughts on all streets of course.

steel108 · #7 02-17-2007, 03:43 AM

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I think call is pretty standard but what do we do when he shoves turn???

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Insta call. If he has A-A, we will shoot ourselves. If he has J-J, make a note. If he has A-J, buddylist. This isn't a hand that I'm getting away from based on pf action. I can't really fathom folding this hand on a blank turn. If a Q falls, then I'm prob folding.

steel108 · #8 02-17-2007, 03:44 AM

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QQ and KK betting this flop sucks, I dunno if Villain would do that

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Would you bet 10-10 or Q-Q if villan checked to you?

Marwan · #9 02-17-2007, 03:49 AM

no, not in a 4-bet flop.. I dunno how we can speak of AJ and hands like that against a 20/15 4-bet pre.. I think i'd fold pf.

steel108 · #10 02-17-2007, 03:49 AM

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Well I did call, turn is a T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and he pushed, $205 to me in a $323 pot. What do you all think. I'll hear thoughts on all streets of course.

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The 10 doesn't really change anything. It's just hard to see what we are beating here, but I'm not laying this hand down. We don't beat much, but I can't see what he is holding that beats us. A-A (pretty unlikely), J-J (if villan is uber aggressive pf, it's possible, but I don't see a 20/15 4 betting this hand when deep), 10-10 (same as above), A-10 and A-J (unless villan is a idiot, I can't see him holding this). I call expecting to chop the pot with A-K or stacking a badly played K-K or Q-Q.