What should be the ruling here?

Zorlac · #1 10-17-2007, 10:00 PM

Two players involved in a large pot at showdown. A scare (flush) card appears on the river. Out of position guy checks his 2 pair. Aggressive guy in position fires a large bet. OOP thinks for some time then calls, obviously frustrated. Aggressive guy, possibly angle shooting, says "Got a flush..."

2 pair guy angrily flips his hand over in front on him and says "Take it". Everyone at the table including the dealer see his hand.

Now for the key moment - another player at the table tosses his cards into the muck before the other hand is shown.

The other guy now says "No...i meant, do you have a flush?". He now reveals 1 pair for what was the losing hand.

"...but I'll take the pot, his cards are in the muck" he says.

What proceeds now is an almighty blowup at the table. The floor is called over.

What's the right call?

.Z

tyler9768 · #2 10-17-2007, 10:03 PM

In my very uninformed opinion, the guy with the best hand wins. Cards speak and everyone saw them. Goes double if they are easily identifiable in the muck.

doucheburger · #3 10-17-2007, 10:08 PM

2 pair wins. easy

budblown · #4 10-17-2007, 10:13 PM

right call is 2 pair wins the pot. Hand was turned over. Simple and done.

bav · #5 10-17-2007, 10:39 PM

Once his cards are tabled, they play. Another player cannot kill his hand. Dealer cannot kill his hand. Guy who said "flush" and tried to claim the pot needs to be told forcefully by the floor that intentionally miscalling a hand is cheating and won't be tolerated.

fraserbrown · #6 10-17-2007, 11:01 PM

The guy who had the two pair verbally surrendered the hand, its not clear if the statement by the other player was a question or a statement. The guy with one pair was under no obligation to show his cards, so I dont know why he did. It seems like his statement was a question so he takes the pot. What did the floor rule?

GreedIsGood · #7 10-18-2007, 02:46 PM

Just to clarify, a third player tossed the hand into the muck after the first player showed two-pair?

And then Mr "Got a flush" (and no, not "... got a flush") asked/demands the pot?

Is he kidding?

chillrob · #8 10-18-2007, 03:59 PM

Yeah I was a bit confused about that point too. If there was a third player who mucked the winning hand (even if he thought it was a loser), a KITN for him as well - let the dealer do his job.