Over limp + min 3-bet, WTF does that mean?

[Beanos]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $10</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($45.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $43.5</font>

100bb stacks. Opp is 28/8/1. Hero playing TAG.

1)Anyone assign a range for this?
2)Do bad players play big pairs like this, or AJ+?
3)Maybe a small pair thats fallen into a set?
4)Does it not matter because the bets from this normally passive player say hero is beat?

[davekngs]

I'm as puzzled as you I'd like to hear what someone else thinks. As this player is retarded and not aggro and prob won't pick up on weakness easily I would lead the turn for 20 and fold to a raise. I think you have a good chance at free showdown on the river that way

However my advice is not worth much here as this hand confuses me a lot

[johnnyrocket]

idk, but i am not letting someone get away with a $10 bet into a $25 pot, i am reraising this flop fo sho

the min bet i've seen to be huge hands by fish, that is the real thing that confuses me here.

[Beanos]

I'm always really unsure vs these kinds of players. Basically, because his preflop play wouldn't be good with any hand, i can't assign him a range there. The flop bet from these players can mean monster (trying to milk hero) or any kind of draw/ace high/air. Is it best to raise this flop, maybe taking it down right away/charging draws + getting more info, i.e if i'm called/raised and don't improve, i'm looking to show down cheap or fold.

[tuuufts]

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idk, but i am not letting someone get away with a $10 bet into a $25 pot, i am reraising this flop fo sho

the min bet i've seen to be huge hands by fish, that is the real thing that confuses me here.

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Are you raising this for value? I'm pretty content to take a wa/wb on a drawless board.

[Rainclouds]

This could mean anything. These players generally have no clue what they are doing and just decided to get fancy. It's not possible to accurately assign a range, since it's virtually random.

I'd raise to $30 on the flop; if he reraises I let it go, if he calls my raise I try to get a showdown. As played, the turn is probably a fold but I'm not happy about it.

[AbreuTime]

I call down and expect to see 44, frustrated that you didnt let him see a cheap flop.

[Cooker]

I would say he probably has a modest pocket pair, but maybe even as high as TT or 99. The preflop play is so weird that there is a decent chance that he is doing something totally stupid though. Still, I think he probably wanted to try and flop a cheap set in a multiway pot, but when it became HU he thought he probably has the best hand and should raise. Of course his raise sizing is stupid.

I would have led for the pot on the flop and folded to any further aggression on his part. I wouldn't be surprised to see 55 or 66 here depending on how aggressive he is postflop. Looks like he went either continuation bet/spike set on turn or slowplay flop/hope you have a king and really milk turn. Of course he could have 99 and just be trying to push you out on the turn. As played on the flop, I would fold the turn.

[EddieRooo]

4. As played theres no way you are calling this turn.

Trying to say he must have a pp because you have 2nd pair is retarded as well. Why can't he have say ak, or a limitless number of other hands.