88 UTG in 12/180

[MVPaul]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t2700)
BB (t2040)
UTG (t2720)
Hero (t3785)
MP1 (t1920)
MP2 (t2475)
MP3 (t3520)
CO (t1085)
Button (t3710)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t1920</font>,Hero reluctantly calls?

comments on the initial raise and on subsequent action please.

[starchyy]

Any reads here? I don't think you can lay this down without a read given the fact that you are getting about 2-1 and that MP1 isn't floating in chips. Personally, I prefer a limp here UTG+1 unless at a tight table where your raises will get people to fold stuff like KQ or A10.

[timmay28]

This is a terrible spot to have 88. If you limp and get raised a fair amount, the stacks are too shallow to call for set value right? You'd have to repop all-in or fold. Raising a mid pocket OOP with only 25 bb's is awkward too. Hmmm

[esaresa]

I agree with starchyy...tough call with no reads on villan. With your chip stack I'd probably fold, and hope to make use of the image you just established (or reinforced) in a later hand. Sounds like it's realtively early in the tournament, not sure I'd want risk going from 3375 to 1865 in chips with 88 PF. I'm a bit biased on the subject though, got knocked out of a MTT yesterday at a local casino with 88 UTG. Raised 3xBB and UTG flat called. Flop came 8-K-3 unsuited, I shoved and he called w/ KK...I don't mean to hijackk your thread here, just sharing why my perspective may not be correct right now.

[gobucks27]

One of those iffy hands here..depends a lot on table dynamic as mentioned previously though..at a tight table I believe you can raise..you have to call this push as well getting this price..at a LAG table probably need to muck this in EP..

[DougBrennan]

If my math is corect you're getting around 2-1 on your call. I'd make the call, but, as you said, reluctantly.

[hamnegger]

i like a limp given stack size i like a fold as played given stack size.now think if you limped he raises 4 bbyou see a flop for 600 and can double through and hopefully someone else will call pre too building a nice pot .

[Dan87]

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i like a limp given stack size i like a fold as played given stack size.now think if you limped he raises 4 bbyou see a flop for 600 and can double through and hopefully someone else will call pre too building a nice pot .

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this strategy makes no sense to me, are you assuming hes going to flop a set? limp-calling then folding a Q-9-5 flop when opp is shoving any 2 cards is bad

[Hollywade]

As it is, I'd probably call the shove. However, I think I'm likely to just limp UTG with 88 here.

[erc007]

This is so std. Call. You're getting 2 to 1, and you're about 1.8 to 1 against a tight/worse case scenario 3-betting range of 99+;AQs+;AQo+.