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Old 07-19-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

3/6 nl on ftp (6 handed)

Effective stacks $800

Only 2 orbits in. I was dealt AA and took a nice pot by betting flop/turn and guy folding. Besides that I have folded every hand. BB seems typical multi tabler TAG.

Folds to me in CO and I make it $20 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Both blinds call.

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Checked to me and I bet $50. SB folds. BB calls.

Turn is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

BB checks. I...

Confused in whether I valued the draw more or the pot....
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

if i double barrel I plan firing a third barrel.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

Betting suggests you have the A, and you make a disguised hand if you hit it. A Q or J could also be outs(if he's not on 79 or J9). I bet it.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

If I get c/r'd here though i can't call....

That turn card didn't change matters so if he liked his hand on the flop then he probably still does by the turn, no?
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

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If I get c/r'd here though i can't call....

That turn card didn't change matters so if he liked his hand on the flop then he probably still does by the turn, no?

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thats why you would have to plan on triple barreling, making him fold an ace
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Old 07-19-2007, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

do you bet A4 here? what about AK? are you more likely to check QJ or 97?
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Old 07-19-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

Yeah I would check this...what is he going to call pf and the flop with that he will fold now? Would he call with 97 pf? Thats the only hand he would just call the flop and turn with, otherwise he prolly has a med Ace. If you check and hit, he will prolly pay you off since your check showed such weakness...especially if the K or 9 makes him two pair. If you check and miss let it go. That said, if you bet and he just calls, you have to bet an airball river.
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Old 07-19-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

This is the line I was hoping someone would see and present arguments for.

For me 97 = bet
For me AK = bet
For me A4 = probably check
For me QJ = ???

Interested in what is more valuable. The pot right there and the % of time we win it with a bet, or the possibility of stacking him if we hit and losing the minimum when we miss.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:05 PM
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This is the line I was hoping someone would see and present arguments for.

For me 97 = bet
For me AK = bet
For me A4 = probably check
For me QJ = ???

Interested in what is more valuable. The pot right there and the % of time we win it with a bet, or the possibility of stacking him if we hit and losing the minimum when we miss.

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ok, question. why are you checking A4? - by that same token, if 97 is a bet, why is QJ not a bet? I would say both have little showdown value, both are disguised, and neither is an insanely huge draw (unless you had diamonds too)
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?

A4 is tricky. You are probably correct that if I can't get value out of it then it has little to no showdown value either.

97 is weaker then QJ in respect to QJ a) making a higher straight and b) both cards being higher then middle pair for those times that he floats with Tx,ect...

AK should be bet for pure value.
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