another reason Y slowplaying sux

[chimpanzepoopdic]

4/8 Limit Holdem
Hero is BB with AK of spades

7 way capped pot. All of the PF raising was done by MP, the Button and myself.

Flop is JT6 all spades

SB bets. (sb is a loose crazy dealer from the casino next door who is playing on break. She loves to play fast)

I call hoping to get more action behind me because of SB's image and the ammount of action PF. Doesnt happen only the button calls. (dammit!)

Turn is the 4 of spades. SB bets I raise hoping to get something for my poorly played nut flush. SB calls. (At this point I put her on a Q of spades, two pair or a set and realize how much I lost on the flop.)

River was a blank SB check calls and shows a Q9 of spades.

I'm sure SB would have capped with me on the flop and who knows the button may have come along. Then the turn made a high flush all to obvious. When I bet SB slowed down and the Button got out of Dodge. I figure slowplaying here cost me at least 2 big bets possibly more.

[NormandySD]

Normally the 4th spade will not come down in that situation (3 on board and 4 in hole cards). So that is the way you will want to normally play it. raising the flop would have been great if you knew what you opponent was holding.. or knew that everyone else would be folding out anyway. The J 10 on the board is usually grounds for action so I think you played the hand well... Although I wouldnt raise until the river when the 4th spade comes down. No spade on the turn raise and hope button will draw for a dead spade, 2 pr, str8, or any other regular donk call... Plus then you can get the action going with that Q9.

The 4th spade was just a poor card my friend.

Normally if you raise there people think you have a low flush or trips... everyone folds. SB check calls down with pocket pair

[chimpanzepoopdic]

I think if I had continued my aggression on the flop in this large pot I would have received calls from a wide enough range of hands that my slowplay was pointless. My opponents would likly have not expected me to play such a strong hand so fast. Not to mention the fact that the action would surely dry up if a spade fell on the turn or river. Also I would have received alot of action from a few strong hands and draws on that particular flop.
At a table with such loose and poor players it would clearly be a mistake to slowplay second to act in this spot. Had I been first to act or perhaps on the button I think an argument could have been made to slowplay if the action was right.

After the turn spade and the poor action on the flop I felt like I couldnt wait any longer. I guess I was lucky that I recieved any calls after my raise on the turn.

[that_pope]

I disagree and think you are being results oriented. You had 7 people in a capped pot preflop. You are second to act with the nuts on a flop that should have hit more than two of you. It would be far better for you to have Ax of spades then the K, but that is beside the point.

Why would you attempt to shut out 5 others with the current nuts. And yes, 4th street card was bad, but why would you want to convince a KQ, 89, or AJ to get out of the pot, when they are all drawing dead (or very thin runner runner to AJ, AT type hands). You aren't gonna get a set or two pair to fold by playing fast, so playing fast here has no advantage, other than getting another bet or so from the SB.

Yes, in this case, you lost money by not raising, but 95% of the time, you made the correct play.

[NormandySD]

Get callers from a wide enough range of hands?

So you would get more callers by raising on the flop? Doubtuful. If they folded for 1 they definately fold for 2. Even the K high flush you would want to slowplay in that position. Reason being: you wont get the Ace spade to fold... so you might as well let everyone stay in and go for a large amount of callers. If you have a 10 high flush there is value in raising out because there is a chance that nobody has the Ace of spades.... and that people will fold their J or Q of spades knowing even a hit may not mean a win.

I would have slowed that one to the river.. you will usually get the chance to make your raise at these tables. And even if you only go 1 bet the whole way... you can pick up a large pot by doing so.

[StrictlyStrategy]

Raise the flop.

Here's what's seeing a river:

Q9
98
KQ

Here's what's seeing a showdown
JJ TT
66
AA-QQ
AJ KJ QJ
JT

Regardless of whether or not any of those hands have a spade.

The problem so much isn't that you flopped the nuts it's that you flopped the nuts and nobody is drawing to the second nuts.

Nobody's folding the Qs in a 4-8 game here.

Like. Ever.

[chimpanzepoopdic]

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I disagree and think you are being results oriented. You had 7 people in a capped pot preflop. You are second to act with the nuts on a flop that should have hit more than two of you. It would be far better for you to have Ax of spades then the K, but that is beside the point.

Why would you attempt to shut out 5 others with the current nuts. And yes, 4th street card was bad, but why would you want to convince a KQ, 89, or AJ to get out of the pot, when they are all drawing dead (or very thin runner runner to AJ, AT type hands). You aren't gonna get a set or two pair to fold by playing fast, so playing fast here has no advantage, other than getting another bet or so from the SB.

Yes, in this case, you lost money by not raising, but 95% of the time, you made the correct play.

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Nope dont see it this way.
The pot was large enough that anyone who hit much of anything would have to call two bets. I donot want a set or two pair to fold I want them to call two bets cold. I should have fast played to get more $ in the pot. In loose low limit games slowplaying only loses you $ especially in large pots that will intice your opponents to chase.

[chimpanzepoopdic]

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Get callers from a wide enough range of hands?

So you would get more callers by raising on the flop? Doubtuful. If they folded for 1 they definately fold for 2. Even the K high flush you would want to slowplay in that position. Reason being: you wont get the Ace spade to fold... so you might as well let everyone stay in and go for a large amount of callers. If you have a 10 high flush there is value in raising out because there is a chance that nobody has the Ace of spades.... and that people will fold their J or Q of spades knowing even a hit may not mean a win.

I would have slowed that one to the river.. you will usually get the chance to make your raise at these tables. And even if you only go 1 bet the whole way... you can pick up a large pot by doing so.

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ok, ur dumb.

[chimpanzepoopdic]

[ QUOTE ]
Raise the flop.

Here's what's seeing a river:

Q9
98
KQ

Here's what's seeing a showdown
JJ TT
66
AA-QQ
AJ KJ QJ
JT

Regardless of whether or not any of those hands have a spade.

The problem so much isn't that you flopped the nuts it's that you flopped the nuts and nobody is drawing to the second nuts.

Nobody's folding the Qs in a 4-8 game here.

Like. Ever.

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yup!

[jjshabado]

I don't believe this was a bad slowplay at all and I'm also agreeing with the comment that you're being too results oriented.