15/30 deep bluff

[Rosslex]

I agree with the sentiment that u should try and run over such weak players. It is the line u took tho that is the problem and it stems from errors preflop and flop imo. checkraising flop and leading turn looks much stronger and can even be followed up with a river shove if u are so inclined...it just doesnt look like a flush draw at any stage and makes it much more difficult for the villain to stack you with AT or such stationish hands that he can justify calling with on the current line.

One thing I have learnt is that if u are bluffing stations you should test them for their stack before the river. There is nothing they find easier than making river calls as they think "ah i am probably good here", a read they are harder pressed to make if u test them earlier in the hand. In such a scenario villain will likely flat call the flop check raise but fold to the turn pot bet lead and in he does call u can still draw out so have some draw and fold equity throughout.

If you had AJ or A3 how would u have played flop and turn presuming u don't rr it preflop?

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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leading sucks because he's gonna call me with everything he called on the flop,

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leave 1.5x in store for the third bullet then obv

[Daliman]

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Your image at the table seemed to be pretty poor at the time, with you getting caught bluffing medium/big a few times and generally racing around the table, so I hated the play. As it turned out, this guy was a bit of a postflop calling station too, (you may not have known yet), but cmon, king, you can't try to force over EVERY pot. Your hand plays SO much better RR'd pre than doing this at the deep tables, and your flop play looks exactly like what it is. methinks you were tilting more than a bit at the time.

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it was a bad play but it had little to do with tilt, andwhy wouldn't I generally try to run over a lineup this weak? samh was the only guy I knew and he's a nit.

it was more like, leading sucks because he's gonna call me with everything he called on the flop, check folding sucks, check calling really sucks, so wth, process of elimination I'll c/r. river was a panic shove and pretty inexcusable I admit

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Also, panic, maybe, but you did time down before shoving.

P.S. Dunno about trying to run over calling stations. Nits like me, sure, but calling stations?

[innerpeace]

i don't like this at all - the 3 is a terrible river to bluff with. if it worked, which i doubt since you posted it, then hats off to you. if it failed, then i hope you decided not to reload since your play is clearly tilt induced.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

it looks like you missed a flush draw, of course no one ever bluffs when an obvious flush draw misses! not sure what advice you are out to seek here.