Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[MicroBob]

It's in the letter they sent her.


"
Your Full Tilt Poker account will remain permanently closed and the
remaining funds will be used to reimburse the victims of your use of
automated artificial intelligence software.

You are no longer welcome to play at Full Tilt Poker.

Regards,

Jeremy E
Security and Fraud
Full Tilt Poker "

[Josem]

Morning all,

I just wanted to clarify that those of us who are unhappy with FTP's handling of this matter obviously support their efforts to crack down on cheating. Cheating obviously hurts us all, and we obviously think it should be stopped.

However, at the same time, we think that even <u>accused</u> cheaters deserve a right to defend themselves against the allegations. If our society lets murderers see the evidence against them (despite the possible theoretical advantage to other would-be murderers from seeing how they were caught) then surely the same can apply to online poker players.

As the case of TeddyFBI's mum demonstrated, online poker operators are not infallible. They make mistakes - and $47k makes a big difference to Sillysal's life, so let's remember that.


P.S. Gehrig suggests, in the BBV thread on this, that the evidence against Sillysal is pretty damning. That may be the case - but it wouldn't change my view one bit. It's not possible to only have a fair process for innocent people, since someone's guilt needs to determined as a result of the fair process, not prior to.

On that note, if Gehrig - as a mere dataminer/observer - was able to figure out the evidence (as he suggests) then surely there is no secret issue involved here.

[gehrig]

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On that note, if Gehrig - as a mere dataminer/observer - was able to figure out the evidence (as he suggests) then surely there is no secret issue involved here.

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i didnt elaborate on what i know and i'm not going to

[Josem]

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i didnt elaborate on what i know and i'm not going to

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Why?

[MicroBob]

I don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate.
I also don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate about why he won't elaborate.

[Josem]

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I don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate.
I also don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate about why he won't elaborate.

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If Gehrig won't elaborate because of an arrangement with FTP, then he only needs to say that.

[MasterLJ]

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I don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate.
I also don't think he will elaborate on why he won't elaborate about why he won't elaborate.

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Nth level elaboration.

ELABROLEVELED!!!!!!

[___1___]

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If Gehrig won't elaborate because of an arrangement with FTP, then he only needs to say that.

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More than likely it's b/c Crazy Mike gave him information under the condition it stay private.

[R*R]

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Uh Silly Sal. hello Silly Sal. Send us some evidence please. Should be on your computer.

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I will post hand histories , I will contact the Kahnawake Gaming Commision. I have contacted 2 Lawyers, and I have made calls to involve the media. I have contacted the 4 moderators that were on staff at the time I received the letter from FTP.

I will do everything in my power and I will post everything I do to keep you all in the loop.

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No HH yet. Could you take a minute to explain why?

[Mike Haven]

Here is an extract from the information FTP sent me. (FTP and sillysal have given me permission to post it.)

FTP consider it to be very important to their case against sillysal:

Pokergirl z
172,075 hands
Flop 59%
Turn 43%
River 36%

grego777
85,403 hands
Flop 60%
Turn 44%
River 36%

Daurgman
62,148 hands
Flop 61%
Turn 45%
River 36%

*

Pokergirl z
Pre-flop %
Fold 20
Call 21
Check 3
Bet 55

grego777
Pre-flop %
Fold 21
Call 22
Check 3
Bet 54

Daurgman
Pre-flop %
Fold 21
Call 22
Check 2
Bet 55

*

Pokergirl z
Flop %
Fold 8
Call 27
Check 20
Bet 45

grego777
Flop %
Fold 8
Call 27
Check 20
Bet 45

Daurgman
Flop %
Fold 7
Call 24
Check 22
Bet 47

*

Pokergirl z
Turn %
Fold 7
Call 27
Check 38
Bet 28

grego777
Turn %
Fold 7
Call 26
Check 38
Bet 29

Daurgman
Turn %
Fold 8
Call 25
Check 30
Bet 37

*

Pokergirl z
River %
Fold 11
Call 24
Check 32
Bet 33

grego777
River %
Fold 11
Call 23
Check 31
Bet 34

Daurgman
River %
Fold 8
Call 26
Check 31
Bet 34

*

Pokergirl z
Pre-flop played %
65

grego777
Pre-flop played %
66

Daurgman
Pre-flop played %
68

*

Pokergirl z
Went to S/D &amp; won %
48

grego777
Went to S/D &amp; won %
47

Daurgman
Went to S/D &amp; won %
47

*

Pokergirl z
Pre-flop aggression
2.6/4.0

grego777
Pre-flop aggression
2.5/4.0

Daurgman
Pre-flop aggression
2.5/4.0

*

Pokergirl z
Post-flop aggression
1.4/4.0

grego777
Post-flop aggression
1.5/4.0

Daurgman
Post-flop aggression
1.6/4.0