KK heads up, i need some help

VaTechAndrew · #1 09-19-2007, 04:28 PM

Hi, this is only my second post on the forum, and my first hand post, so i hope it works out. Tell me if I made any format errors.

What is the best play on the turn here? I had only played a few hands so I didnt have a read on him except that he was maybe loose. Should i have put him on the ace and check/fold? Or just go into check/calldown mode. By the river I didnt think he had the Ace because he was very passive on the turn, so I called his bet.

What should I have done on the turn and river here? Feel free to comment on my poor play if it is incorrect. Thanks alot.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (7.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Bona · #2 09-19-2007, 04:36 PM

nh

dafrk3in · #3 09-19-2007, 05:19 PM

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Explain, please. What does it make sense for the villian to have given the action?

DBSpecial · #4 09-19-2007, 05:28 PM

You played fine. It's almost irrelevant what he holds. You're not going to soil yourself and c/f because of the turn card. You're also not to fold getting 8-1 on the end when Villain donks.

bozlax · #5 09-19-2007, 05:47 PM

You can't check/fold anywhere, or go into "check/calldown mode"...you have position.

Without a read, there's really no other way to play this. What did you lose to (just curious)?

Edit: I'm going to revise myself; check behind on the turn, call when he bets the river. You'd like to showdown, you're not worried about giving a freebie, you ARE worried about a c/r that you can't fold to, and you can't really expect him to call the turn with a worse hand.

slothinator · #6 09-19-2007, 05:53 PM

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Explain, please. What does it make sense for the villian to have given the action?

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KQ or JJ. Villian bets out instead of checking because he doesn't want Hero to check behind on the river.

aK13 · #7 09-19-2007, 06:58 PM

Initially I think checking the turn is fine, but I'm afraid that it's influenced by results oriented thinking.

Standard play should be to bet turn, check behind river. I can't even imagine what he's bluffing on the river there, so you should probably fold. This board is exceptionally horrible for our hand -- under most similar circumstances I would call that river bet.

VaTechAndrew · #8 09-19-2007, 07:07 PM

It turns out he had AJ. He must have been afraid that I had AK or AQ, so when he saw the jack he bet. so did i mostly play this properly? I figured when he bet into me on the river i was beat, but wouldnt it be a mistake to fold there?

Smurph64 · #9 09-19-2007, 07:18 PM

looks good to me.

Point Blank · #10 09-19-2007, 07:18 PM

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It turns out he had AJ. He must have been afraid that I had AK or AQ, so when he saw the jack he bet. so did i mostly play this properly? I figured when he bet into me on the river i was beat, but wouldnt it be a mistake to fold there?

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IMO turn spot depends on the aggressiveness off the villain (or history with another solid aggressive player) ...

bet/fold
bet/call - call river
check behind - call river

it really depends on how much of a tard the guy is and how many bets you want to put in the 2nd pair on an ace high board

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villain's line doesn't have to mean he thinks you have AK, AQ ... villain's line can means he thinks you'll fold if he check-raises or donks

IMO: he would have bet out on the river regardless of the river card

this line gets the most bets out of the soft 'curious' player ... I use it often