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08-27-2007, 04:53 AM
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Stars $10+1 MTT...overly aggro with AT?
I have been kind of active at the table, but I have shown down a winner in my only all-in encounter.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> Hero (t5245) CO (t2280) Button (t2565) SB (t5195) BB (t4845) UTG (t13400) UTG+1 (t2800) MP1 (t2830) MP2 (t8355) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5220</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font> 
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#3
08-27-2007, 05:06 AM
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Re: Stars $10+1 MTT...overly aggro with AT?
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I have been kind of active at the table, but I have shown down a winner in my only all-in encounter. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> Hero (t5245) CO (t2280) Button (t2565) SB (t5195) BB (t4845) UTG (t13400) UTG+1 (t2800) MP1 (t2830) MP2 (t8355) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5220</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font> [/ QUOTE ] This shove is pretty bad IMO. You have a legit raising hand from LP and two shorties and two avg stacks behind you. Why expose your whole stack to one of the blinds, when they pick up a big hand? Just make it 900 (u have just as much FE) and call a shove from CO/Button, fold with 15 BB's if one of the blinds repopps you. This is a very easy hand to play here...folding > shoving here and i never would fold.
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#6
08-27-2007, 06:29 AM
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Re: Stars $10+1 MTT...overly aggro with AT?
Another disadvantage to shoving med strength hands like AT is that a good, observant player will know that your shove removes big pairs from your range, and will call you with 77-99. In other words the shove makes them play close to perfectly against you, whereas a raise to 900 creates a very awkward spot for 55-88/AJ in one of the blinds. Since either a raise of a shove has no differing effect on the short stacks, you should only be looking at the blinds here.
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#9
08-27-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: Stars $10+1 MTT...overly aggro with AT?
It becomes a push at about 10bb, at your stack size its probably a fold, but depends on table conditions. Raise / Folding is a great option. We make it 800 and fold to a push.
Lets run the math on a push, assuming they call us with something like 66+,AJo+,AJs+. It might be too loose for them to call us with that, but it gives us a worst case. 450 in pot, we are pushing 5300, but no one covers us. For ease in math lets assume our stack is 4800 since thats the likely caller. We push 4800 into 10050 pot to win 450. Calling range 66+ AJo, AJs (thats 7.7% of hands) 4 people yet to act (.923 X^y 4 = 72% of the time no one calls) .72 * 450 = 325 chips gained from folding net ev When called we are 31/69 in 10050 pot = -1685 chips when called which happens .28 of the time = -471 chips from called. This nets to an average of -150 chips EV. Negative push if they call us about right. It can be positive if the table is super tight. I like a raise and fold to a push. 4Card
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#10
08-27-2007, 07:24 PM
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Re: Stars $10+1 MTT...overly aggro with AT?
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It becomes a push at about 10bb, at your stack size its probably a fold, but depends on table conditions. Raise / Folding is a great option. We make it 800 and fold to a push. Lets run the math on a push, assuming they call us with something like 66+,AJo+,AJs+. It might be too loose for them to call us with that, but it gives us a worst case. 450 in pot, we are pushing 5300, but no one covers us. For ease in math lets assume our stack is 4800 since thats the likely caller. We push 4800 into 10050 pot to win 450. Calling range 66+ AJo, AJs (thats 7.7% of hands) 4 people yet to act (.923 X^y 4 = 72% of the time no one calls) .72 * 450 = 325 chips gained from folding net ev When called we are 31/69 in 10050 pot = -1685 chips when called which happens .28 of the time = -471 chips from called. This nets to an average of -150 chips EV. Negative push if they call us about right. It can be positive if the table is super tight. I like a raise and fold to a push. 4Card [/ QUOTE ] Right idea, but I'm pretty sure CO and BTN will be calling us lighter (note their stack size) than your given range. I haven't done the math myself, but my instinct is that a shove here is probably +cEV, but OP would be better off making a standard raise. It's an easy call if CO or BTN shoves, and if either blind shoves OP can either (1) fold and start pushbotting (this would be my choice) or (2) call since their resteal range should be wider than their range to call your shove, so you are no worse off than if you had open-shoved.
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