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#1
09-27-2007, 06:25 AM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
500k database
86s -0.18ptbb/hand Q9s -0.18 97s -0.17 93s -0.16 42s -0.15 all the worst hands are suited, looks like i overplay my flushdraws in unraised pots 
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#3
09-27-2007, 11:10 AM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
fwiw 98s is my biggest loser. To put things in perspective, I have only stacked someone with it once in 250,000 hands. I have never stacked someone with my second biggest loser, 97s, despite the fact that since SuperSystem I have been convinced that this hand is the nuts....
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#4
09-27-2007, 11:13 AM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
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fwiw 98s is my biggest loser. To put things in perspective, I have only stacked someone with it once in 250,000 hands. I have never stacked someone with my second biggest loser, 97s, despite the fact that since SuperSystem I have been convinced that this hand is the nuts.... [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you just suck at playing hands with nines in them?
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#5
09-27-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
pokerroom.com used to have a spreadsheet with ev results across 100 million+ hands on their site, broken down by position. In the cutoff for example, the 10 most negative ev hands are:
84 s (worst) 97 s A6 Q3 s A3 94 s 85 s J2 s A4 73 s (10th worst)
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#6
09-27-2007, 01:23 PM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
Incidentally in the above example (from the cutoff) 84s is -0.15ev. According to the spreadsheet the most negative ev hands come from the BB and are:
J2 -0.43 J3 -0.43 94 -0.43 T2 -0.42 73 -0.42 Q2 -0.41 32 -0.41 83 -0.41 T3 -0.41 72 -0.41
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#7
09-27-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
[ QUOTE ]
pokerroom.com used to have a spreadsheet with ev results across 100 million+ hands on their site, broken down by position. In the cutoff for example, the 10 most negative ev hands are: 84 s (worst) 97 s A6 Q3 s A3 94 s 85 s J2 s A4 73 s (10th worst) [/ QUOTE ] this isnt really applicable, because that includes alot of fish playing those hands. people with postflop skills like aejones or me can play all those profitably from the CO.
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#8
09-27-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
A3s for me, followed by K9s.
I think these are just hands that I happen to have been put in a lot of tough spots with, or made a lot of mistakes with though. A6s is in my top 20 winningest hands.
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#9
09-28-2007, 08:24 AM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] pokerroom.com used to have a spreadsheet with ev results across 100 million+ hands on their site, broken down by position. In the cutoff for example, the 10 most negative ev hands are: 84 s (worst) 97 s A6 Q3 s A3 94 s 85 s J2 s A4 73 s (10th worst) [/ QUOTE ] this isnt really applicable, because that includes alot of fish playing those hands. people with postflop skills like aejones or me can play all those profitably from the CO. [/ QUOTE ] also i think this includes limit..... it's annoyingly almost-really-useful but actually not-useful-at-all data.
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#10
09-27-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?
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500k database 86s -0.18ptbb/hand Q9s -0.18 97s -0.17 93s -0.16 42s -0.15 all the worst hands are suited, looks like i overplay my flushdraws in unraised pots [/ QUOTE ] While a lot of people are saying suited hands are the most negative EV in their database, I'm guessing that this is primarily because the suited hands have a smaller sample size (about a third as many suited hands as offsuit hands) so the variance in the overall winrates is higher. This poster is probably about -.10 BB/100 with many hands in the long run, with each of those hands' current winrates fluctuating around that average. The suited hands have larger fluctuations due to the smaller sample size.
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