qq hand horrible river

jordiepop · #1 07-02-2007, 02:01 AM

villian is a 34/20/3 did i just get out drawn by an ace high fd. whats my line on the river.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $304.15
UTG+1: $98.50
CO: $100
Button: $283.10
SB: $125
BB: $160.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $33, Button calls, BB folds.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($104, 2 players)
Hero ?

tarheeljks · #2 07-02-2007, 02:03 AM

action from the bb please

edit: never mind, see my other post

Fistdantilus · #3 07-02-2007, 02:07 AM

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BB folded turn.

I want to say c/c, as villain probably would have a hard time putting you on a big ace as you've been leading the whole way, and will always call you down with Ax. So every time you bet you'll get called when beaten.

AF of 3 means he'll probably bet if checked to, which induces bluffs from 98(etc) as well as made ace hands to bet. Still sucks, but I'll take it.

tarheeljks · #4 07-02-2007, 02:09 AM

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BB folded turn.

I want to say c/c, as villain probably would have a hard time putting you on a big ace as you've been leading the whole way, and will always call you down with Ax. So every time you bet you'll get called when beaten.

AF of 3 means he'll probably bet if checked to, which induces bluffs from 98(etc) as well as made ace hands to bet. Still sucks, but I'll take it.

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hooray i can't read. i agree w/the check, but in a vaccuum its hard to say whether i would call or fold.

jordiepop · #5 07-02-2007, 02:11 AM

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action from the bb please

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bb folded its me and the button who i have the reads on my bad..

FishSticks · #6 07-02-2007, 02:15 AM

Easy c/c on the river.

You are so deep, getting raised would be awful here.

I think it's more likely he has a pocket pair than a flush draw. If he does have the flush draw naturally you want to induce. I feel 34/20/3 type guys don't usually just call 2 big bets with drawy hands all passive like, but might look to keep you honest and get EV from 2 barrels with pairs. Some boats are in his range obv.

Anyways, you got a good hand with a 100BB pot out there and no real reason to think you're behind, but you want to showdown and keep the pot reasonable.

Seems like a clear c/c.

Edit: I suppose if there was something odd about the river bet, like if he full pots over slight overpots I might consider a fold.

Re-edit: You know, I don't think he'll bluffraise the river here ever and I think you might get some value from like 99ish hands with a 1/2 pot river blocker and avoid a decision like the one above. Meh. Now I'm torn between c/c and bet/fold.

I think his aggro stats make me feel he'll bluff enough to go with the c/c.

qetou · #7 07-02-2007, 02:56 AM

Cant see how this river is bad. Its so unlikely that he has an ace here.

jordiepop · #8 07-02-2007, 03:04 AM

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Cant see how this river is bad. Its so unlikely that he has an ace here.

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what about an ace high fd...

FishSticks · #9 07-02-2007, 03:06 AM

This guy is real aggro, he does lots of betting and raising and lot of draw chasing. NFD is less likely than other holdings.

ftavatar · #10 07-02-2007, 03:09 AM

only ace he could have would be ax of clubs/ a6. dont think he'd have a 3 as he would want to get money in sometime and if he is an agg player (af by street would be useful) then he could be raising the nfd. if you bet i dont see how he could raise with the bare ace and u get called by pp's. if u check u get a bare busted fd to call. id prob bet fold here but tbh i think if ur behind you're just getting called down by a better hand (unless he has a6 or a full house in which case ul know about it and fold). bet 40?