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Old 10-18-2007, 12:59 AM
Josh. Josh. is offline
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Default Re: QQ tough spot oop 160 bb deep

bobbo, agree or disagree? when he bets the turn his range is mostly comprised of monsters and (edit: very) weak made hands, and likely any flush draw with the possibly exception of NFD.
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:06 AM
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bobbo, agree or disagree? when he bets the turn his range is mostly comprised of monsters and weak made hands and draws.

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it's hard to argue with that josh, that's like saying im dealt two cards preflop and my holdings are comprised of 3high hands and pairs. (and anythingin-between)

Basically will he bet/call a weak made hand? Are we classifying hands like 9x to be a weak made hand or a marginal made hand? (Bc i'm asking if he will check say 66-TT, 9x) whereas your weak madehands will be like AJo or 44. (that's nota boat on this board right?)

not too many draws, obv he could havea flush draw.

basically 3way pot on the flop since i t's a low paired board it's hard to put him on trips, if can have it are you prepared to get stacked off here? I am

if not bet/folding the turn is fine, as is check calling the turn.
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:21 AM
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bobbo, yes the hands i meant to leave out are TT, 88, A9, suited 9s. i think they'll often check for pot control. check-raising is hoping he will either bet with full intention of calling a raise (imo unlikely with 0 history and likely not much in the way of a read of hero), or bet with no plan whatsoever then talk himself into calling because hero has a flush draw.

i'd also like to know why you like folding as played. you wrote "basically 3way pot on the flop since i t's a low paired board it's hard to put him on trips, if can have it are you prepared to get stacked off here? I am" which i largely agree with (even though after overcalling on the button there are several hands with a 3 he can have), but where does that breakdown once we've bet and he's raised?

i'm going to sleep, so i'll check in the morning. thanks
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:24 AM
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i'd also like to know why you like folding as played. you wrote "basically 3way pot on the flop since i t's a low paired board it's hard to put him on trips, if can have it are you prepared to get stacked off here? I am" which i largely agree with (even though after overcalling on the button there are several hands with a 3 he can have), but where does that breakdown once we've bet and he's raised?

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Im saying that if you'renot prepared tostack off, you fold. And if you're planning on folding, id probably c/c or bet/fold, as hero did.

also,i think alot of people bet those hands you say dont bet for pc. (more then you think)
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:24 AM
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bet flop to maintain an aggressive metagame if nothing else. i like c/ring turn, but that might be results oriented.

as played i am thinking fold..
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:40 AM
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Default Re: QQ tough spot oop 160 bb deep

turn does look like a fold against sane players, theres some people against which its an easy stackoff though.

i dont like a turn c/r here too much because i feel like he's taking a lot of free cards, and most of the time will fold worse hands that he bets to a c/r (but will often call a bet)
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: QQ tough spot oop 160 bb deep

bet the flop. you usually have the best hand and checking doesn't make it any easier to play.

now push turn
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