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Old 12-01-2007, 04:16 AM
mimicme mimicme is offline
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Default 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

MP raises. I call on button w/ ATcc, SB calls.

Flop is A T 6 two spades. SB leads, MP raises, I flat call. SB calls.

Turn is a King off. SB and MP checks, I bet, SB folds, MP calls.

River is a King spades. MP checks, I check. He mucks.

Should I have 3 bet the flop? Should I bet the river? MP is pretty straight forward and tight. SB is pretty loose but not a maniac.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:33 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

i would 3b pf depending on the table.. DEF 3b on the flop then bet bet would be ok i suppose... but then again i play bad
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Old 12-02-2007, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

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i would 3b pf depending on the table.. DEF 3b on the flop then bet bet would be ok i suppose... but then again i play bad

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Really? I would just fold PF vs most raisers b/c we are a 3:2 dog vs a typical live player's raising range, and we usually don't make any money when we hit (but we will frequently lose more vs a better ace)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

671,223,168 games 0.005 secs 134,244,633,600 games/sec

Board:
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.230% 53.78% 05.45% 360986280 36577020.00 { 99+, A9s+, KJs+, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 40.770% 35.32% 05.45% 237082848 36577020.00 { ATs }
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

Readless, I'd fold preflop.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

If you aren't betting river then why are you calling preflop.

PF is never a call. 3b or fold, with folding being much better. I 3bet this flop.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

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Readless, I'd fold preflop.

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borderline nittish though, AT suited on the button ? Would you 3ball AJs ?

And that flop is exactly the flop you need to jam with a flush draw and straight draw. raiser up
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

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Readless, I'd fold preflop.

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borderline nittish though, AT suited on the button ? Would you 3ball AJs ?


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What do you think a typical MP raiser's range is at this level?
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

river is an easy bet and i call a raise too.

3b the flop too but this is closer.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

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Readless, I'd fold preflop.

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borderline nittish though, AT suited on the button ? Would you 3ball AJs ?


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What do you think a typical MP raiser's range is at this level?

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66-AA, AK-ATish, KQ, all suited broadway, and maybe suited A's as low as A8s. something like that. I'm certainly comfortable enough to play that hand on the button against that range.
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: 30/60 . AT flopping top two pair

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Readless, I'd fold preflop.

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borderline nittish though, AT suited on the button ? Would you 3ball AJs ?


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What do you think a typical MP raiser's range is at this level?

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66-AA, AK-ATish, KQ, all suited broadway, and maybe suited A's as low as A8s. something like that. I'm certainly comfortable enough to play that hand on the button against that range.

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Eh you're still a dog against this range. You are OTB, but you also have bad RIO issues...hardly nittish. I think its close though. FWIW I do threebet AJs in this spot.
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