Bottom Set fairly deep v. Irishcurve08 (10/25 UB) 6max

[dlpnyc21]

Note that we are somewhat deep here, and irish has a monster stack, and has been running the table over.

I consider the villian to be one of the strongest players on ub at the 10/25 level. I think he is far stronger HU, but he's good at 6max too. He is on the loose side for sure, and is willing to make big semibluffs if he thinks you are FOS. He plays most draws very fast.

Onto the hand: I have 88 and decide to call his raise from the blinds. Sometimes I 3-bet here this time I decide to call. I flop bottom set, I chk, he bets, I CR. Standard.

He flat calls. This is certainly worrisome, but my hand is usually good here. The turn brings the 10, which is not a great card, it also puts a flush draw on board, and complete some straight hands (although I THINK AQ can be ruled out, though I'm not sure).

What do people usually do on this turn? Is betting a good idea? I decide to fire. And this is where the hand gets very interesting. He min-raises. My action? Was my turn bet idiotic?






irishcurve08 is at seat 0 with $14677.
badposture is at seat 1 with $2500.
BellagioLee is at seat 2 with $723 (sitting out).
maxEmus125 is at seat 3 with $2463.
HERO is at seat 4 with $4668.50.
DrunkPPlaya is at seat 5 with $2356.
The button is at seat 1.

maxEmus125 posts the small blind of $10.
HERO posts the big blind of $25.

irishcurve08: -- --
badposture: -- --
maxEmus125: -- --
HERO: 8c 8d
DrunkPPlaya: -- --

Pre-flop:

DrunkPPlaya folds. irishcurve08 raises to $85.
badposture folds. maxEmus125 folds. HERO
calls.

Flop (board: 8h Jd Ks):

HERO checks. irishcurve08 bets $180.
HERO raises to $625. irishcurve08 calls.

Turn (board: 8h Jd Ks Th):

HERO bets $975. irishcurve08 raises to $1950.
HERO?

[ahnuld]

ez push. 2 pair and pair+straight draw as far more likely than a higher set or a straigth, although he would prob. call witht he pair+draw combo.

[dlpnyc21]

sooo...he's min raising why?

[MagicNinja]

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ez push. 2 pair and pair+straight draw as far more likely than a higher set or a straigth, although he would prob. call witht he pair+draw combo.

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i'd push but putting him on a pair+straight draw is incredibly optimistic. And when I say incredibly optimistic, I am being incredibly optimistic. Also if he has two pair, it is only ever KJ.

[Ansky]

curve hardly ever would raise pair+draw here from my experience w/ him.

[AceCR9]

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curve hardly ever would raise pair+draw here from my experience w/ him.

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I think he could with AKhh, but thats about it.


this is an easy shove IMO...especially with such a big stack irishcurve is probably playing more LAG than normal.

[dlpnyc21]

i'm not sure what you guys are saying: everyone thinks i'm beat, yet I should shove? that makes no sense...am i missing something? do u guys bet this turn anyway? what am I getting called by?

[AZK]

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curve hardly ever would raise pair+draw here from my experience w/ him.

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[AceCR9]

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i'm not sure what you guys are saying: everyone thinks i'm beat, yet I should shove? that makes no sense...am i missing something? do u guys bet this turn anyway? what am I getting called by?

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we're not saying your beat.

i don't see irish smooth calling with a set on this flop, or AQ(possibly KK, but i doubt it). at least in my experience playing with him he is very agressive and plays both his big hands and big draws strong. I just't can't see folding a set there to him w/o a good read.

possbily KhJh? otherwise I am having trouble putting him a on ahdn he would min raise you with there, since I'd think hed shove a set

[Stinger88]

this is about as close to a fold as a set gets......minraise is so weird....in the heat of the game vs an aggro player like irishcurve i probably push, but thinking about it folding seems better