200NL Facing All In on Flop

DaSwam · #1 02-04-2007, 05:37 PM

No experience with this player at all. I wasn't worried about the min lead on the flop. How do you play this flop?

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CO :#A500AF(Unknown)/ ($48.85)
Hero ($381.15)
SB ($202.50)
BB ($120)
UTG ($80)
UTG+1 ($132.75)
MP1 ($201)
MP2 ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, CO :#A500AF(Unknown)/ calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG calls $8, UTG+1 calls $8, CO :#A500AF(Unknown)/ calls $8.

Flop: ($43) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $2, Unknown raises to $38.85, Hero ???.

Final Pot: $83.85

jordiepop · #2 02-04-2007, 05:43 PM

ur a ahead of a lot of hands that this player would do this with. Flush draws, JT A9 . its not like he raised to 38 with 200 behind. Def call this.

Stealthy · #3 02-04-2007, 05:54 PM

This is not a good spot for your hand. He has 2 pair/set a good % of the time and the rest of the time he has a solid combo draw which you are 50/50 at best with. He has a bare 9 very infrequently. Keep in mind also that UTG+1 might well shove if you call if he is drawing and you dont want to be allin here.

The only thing in your favour is that both are pretty short but I would fold.

jordiepop · #4 02-04-2007, 06:50 PM

wow i didnt see the action correctly. i thought u bet and he moved in. with the pf raiser behind him, hed be pretty strong here making this move. my bad

Dan Bitel · #5 02-04-2007, 06:52 PM

call, its a <pot bet and you have an overpair

friend_ · #6 02-04-2007, 06:56 PM

Too risky, for me it is a very easy fold.

Mossberg · #7 02-04-2007, 07:00 PM

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call, its a <pot bet and you have an overpair

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PartyScout · #8 02-04-2007, 07:04 PM

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Too risky, for me it is a very easy fold.

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Ya me think this too foldsville considering your T's on 9high drawy board but you take the risk he shows combo draw and your still behind or you shows set or 2 pair and your NONONOPNONOBO [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

friend_ · #9 02-04-2007, 08:02 PM

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Too risky, for me it is a very easy fold.

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Ya me think this too foldsville considering your T's on 9high drawy board but you take the risk he shows combo draw and your still behind or you shows set or 2 pair and your NONONOPNONOBO [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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There are three dangers in calling with our TT:
1) We may here be behind, and these chances are quite high, cause we are against 2 active players despite we showed strange preflop, they both like this flop.
2) We may be ahead, but cause the flop is very drawy, I dont think we are favorite with TT against two players by the river, the reverse implied odds are very high.
3) UTG didnt react yet to this rase yet, he may reraise, burning our money, thrown to call.

So, I think calling is the worst option here.

If we want to continue we should go allin, this is a quite good option, cause our opponents are shorstacked and we wont loose too much.

If I knew these opponents are loose, I will go allin for sure, but against unknowns I fold.

Dan Bitel · #10 02-04-2007, 08:03 PM

wtf is going on here???.....some1 has min bet and some1 just went AI for 20BBs and you want to fold an overpair? WHAT THE [censored]?