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#21
09-13-2007, 07:55 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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[ QUOTE ] I don't see the difference but in the case in question it was No Limit. I believe it should just be $4. You don't add the small blind when you wait for the big blind so this is just a big(ger) blind. [/ QUOTE ] This is how it is generally treated. I do know of a room where enough of the nits whined that they changed it to having to put the small blind in dead. Traditionally in NL players that missed blinds are dealt back in without posting, but that was when the game was played by people who would cut you if you tried to sit out your blinds and come back without needing to post. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#22
09-13-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
First off, I've dealt with this "wheels" person before. Friggin' whackos, can't trust 'em. Always coming up with diabolical schemes. Oh wait, no, that's me. Scratch that.
Ok. The answer is clearly A. The SB should always be live if included in a live straddle. To have it any other way would not be condusive to generating action. And that would be bad. Al
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#23
09-13-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] WTF are you guys talking about. Straddling adds action and most people like the rule (which is why they allow it).....You guys are just a bunch of nits [/ QUOTE ] Post: $2 live + $1 dead Straddle: $4 live + $0 dead + last action Seems a lot of benefits for the extra $1. [/ QUOTE ] Keep in mind that if not allowed to straddle this way the player will likely post absolutely nothing, wait one hand and post a big blind. I don't see that being such a benefit to the game. [/ QUOTE ] Depends where you're playing. In LA if the player waits he still has to post the BB and SB with a dead SB. I'm not sure what would happen if he wanted to straddle since I have been racking my brain and I can't recall seeing this before but if I had to guess then here in LA he would have to put in $5 and $1 would be dead. [/ QUOTE ] Do I understand this correctly? IN LA if you miss a blind and you wait until the Large Blind comes all the way back to you you have to post a dead small blind when you come in on your natural large blind position? I would not have expected that in LA, maybe someIndian reservation in the middle of nowhere but not LA.
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#24
09-13-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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This is how it is generally treated. I do know of a room where enough of the nits whined that they changed it to having to put the small blind in dead. Traditionally in NL players that missed blinds are dealt back in without posting, but that was when the game was played by ladies and gentlemen. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you for pointing all this out. Such stupidity of forcing a STRADDLER to also post the sb dead points to another obvious fact: these schmucks don't want anyone to make "the worst bet in poker." Also, the general lack of class that embodies todays players? we can thank television for that. Al
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#25
09-13-2007, 08:34 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
Let's go the extra mile and say the is "right" or "Standard." Gotta try and head off the nits any way we can.
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#26
09-13-2007, 10:07 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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Just put out $4. I have never seen a card room require that you post the small blind on top of the straddle. [/ QUOTE ] At a drunken low-limit LHE game at Foxwoods, they wanted to make me pay the SB on top of the straddle. I wanted to come in on the straddle and some uber-nit insisted that I post the dead small as well. No one else complained but the floor was called. Floor ruled I had to post the dead small in addition to the straddle. I turned to the nit and said, "so it's OK if I just wait a hand and post BB, but if I want to come in on the straddle, adding more action and money to this game then you're going to make me post the SB even though the rest of the table is OK with just my straddle?" He explained those were the rules, so I declined the straddle and waited until the BB. I suppose it's technically the right answer, but most of the time I've seen the table just not care. --Headhunter
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#27
09-13-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
It's the wrong answer to make a would be straddler also post the small dead. In so many ways, as you found out here. Kick nit-boy in the nuts for me.
Al
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#28
09-14-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] WTF are you guys talking about. Straddling adds action and most people like the rule (which is why they allow it).....You guys are just a bunch of nits [/ QUOTE ] Post: $2 live + $1 dead Straddle: $4 live + $0 dead + last action Seems a lot of benefits for the extra $1. [/ QUOTE ] Keep in mind that if not allowed to straddle this way the player will likely post absolutely nothing, wait one hand and post a big blind. I don't see that being such a benefit to the game. [/ QUOTE ] Depends where you're playing. In LA if the player waits he still has to post the BB and SB with a dead SB. I'm not sure what would happen if he wanted to straddle since I have been racking my brain and I can't recall seeing this before but if I had to guess then here in LA he would have to put in $5 and $1 would be dead. [/ QUOTE ] Do I understand this correctly? IN LA if you miss a blind and you wait until the Large Blind comes all the way back to you you have to post a dead small blind when you come in on your natural large blind position? I would not have expected that in LA, maybe someIndian reservation in the middle of nowhere but not LA. [/ QUOTE ] I believe that is the way it's done here. Funny, but even playing for all these years it's just something that I rarely notice anymore so I might be totally wrong about it. I've been racking my brain trying to remember some examples and all I can think of is when you miss a blind you get a missed blind button and have to post both blinds with the SB being dead if you want to get back in. I just can't remember clearly when it happens to the person wanting to come back on the BB but I'm pretty sure it does. Maybe not at every cardroom though.
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#29
09-14-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just put out $4. I have never seen a card room require that you post the small blind on top of the straddle. [/ QUOTE ] have you ever seen somebody straddle instead of waiting one hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. b+m Poker Players = people who came into the casino to play blackjack and got lost [/ QUOTE ]
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#30
09-14-2007, 08:05 PM
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Re: Making up your blind with a straddle
The rule in most rooms that I have played in is that you must post the dead SB in addition to the straddle. What happens in practice is if no one says anything you just post the straddle and go. Every now and again, some nit that wants to limp into every hand complains, the floor is called and the rule is enforced.
[ QUOTE ] I just can't remember clearly when it happens to the person wanting to come back on the BB but I'm pretty sure it does. Maybe not at every cardroom though. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand what you are saying here, but if you wait until the BB you don't have to post a SB. Think about it, the idea is that you have to pay the blinds to get your free hands. So you just post your BB, next hand you post the SB then you get the freebies. It makes no sense to pay a BB and a dead SB for 1 hand, then pay another SB the next hand.
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