Limping UTG!!!

[barabe]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $7.95
BB: $10.05
Hero (UTG): $10.15
MP: $9.90
CO: $10.20
BTN: $1.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero calls $0.10, 4 folds, BB checks

Well, I have heard that limping UTG is a horrible move... But what do I do with hands like this? Just fold? I can't raise it OOP. What about Axs? Mid and Low SC???

[hustler4life]

I would fold fold all of those hands utg. Its likley you'll have to play the hand oop and there are still 5 players left to act, any of whom could raise. None of those hands are really the type of hand you want to call a raise with.

[salesbeast]

6 handed=RAISE it up or if you decide to limp like this hand play agro after flop or be prepared to fold it and move on.

[Havok]

I liked pokey's response. But, igore any player that says you should always fold this. Limping is okay if you also sometimes limp with your big hands. And the good players might just a call a good hand they would usually raise with. Of course limping here depends greatly how the table is. Is everyone playing tight? Do people not raise PF enough. Have you limped with a big hand before.
With all that said. Most of the time you should fold. But, if as you can see table conditions permit. Limping is not a bad play either. And even still raising would be good sometimes as well. Know your table and you will succeed more with these types of hands. Just don't make a habit of limping too often so the good players don't punish you for it.

[DaycareInferno]

i don't limp very often, but in games with a bunch of stations, i'll limp up front sometimes, Axs and small pp mostly, because they can make the nuts/pseudonuts most easily, and i won't get enough folds to play them agressively. its not something i do a lot of online though.

i think if you're going to limp some hands up front that its important that you do it with at least a couple of differnet hand types though. there's a lot of players that limp pp up front, and nothing else, just like there's a lot of players that call raises in the blinds with pp and nothing else. that puts you at a big disadvantage against good players, because its so transparent, and you'll get blown off your hand a lot postflop by worse hands.

another thing to consider is that in some games agression levels are so high that it can be pretty tempting to limp hands like 22 to protect yourself from chucking it to a 3bet, and with higher implied odds than normal against opponents that are also agressive postflop.

[salesbeast]

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I would fold fold all of those hands utg. Its likley you'll have to play the hand oop and there are still 5 players left to act, any of whom could raise. None of those hands are really the type of hand you want to call a raise with.

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And you will go broke playing NLHE...you have to play some hands like this to win.

[Pokerdemic]

Has this forum already forgotten the brilliant post "Dear uNL, you're not good enough"???

There are no conditions in uNL that would justify playing QTs UTG. At a table of 3/3 nits so you can steal the blinds? Maybe.

Fold it, fold it, fold it. Every time!!! *You do not need to mix up your game at NL10* You're opponents aren't paying attention anyway. What you need to do is learn the fundamentals, position being a most important concept.

If you play QTs UTG and raise it up, one of two things will likely happen:

1) You will flop a pair, and if you meet resistance from villain you are going to be out-kicked unless villain is stupid. But even stupid people make hands from time to time.

2) you will flop a pair and combo draw, which you won't know how to play because you will be OOP. And playing draws OOP is difficult.



I respect the fact that poker is a situationally dependent game, and perhaps QTs can be played profitably UTG at NL10. But developing bad habits is no good. And if you are trying to develop an ABC TAG game, which most people that post in uNL are trying to do, fold it.

[Motorcycle Mike]

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Has this forum already forgotten the brilliant post "Dear uNL, you're not good enough"???

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Anyone have the link to this?

[Parvex]

Openlimping in 6Max is in generally not that good, because other than in full ring games it might just create a pot of 2.5 to 3.5 BB, which makes it hard to extract a good portion of value, while an Openlimp on a Full Ring Table can easily create a pot of 4 up to 5.5 or even more BB. Way better to get paid off if you hit.
Also raising gives you a chance to win the Blinds right away. You can't accomplish this by raising.

First In in 6Max Games you basically have to decide if your hand is worth playing for a raise or not. If it's not, dump it. If it is: Raise it up.

[barabe]

I have conflicting answers here.... I like the one that says raise it or fold it... Can I get more opinion from soemoen who can give ma straight answer???