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Old 06-26-2007, 11:13 AM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Cold calling

Here comes a kind of blurry post that might belongs in SSNL but I try here.

I had a big leak a while ago that I called single-raises way too much from the blinds that I plugged pretty well (at least I think so). However I think I cold-call raises too much in position.

I have some poker friends that sais that it's hardly correct to cold-call at all.

Do you think it would be a big leak to never ever cold-call a single raise in a mid stakes 6-max NL except for pocket pairs, ie 3-bet or fold?

Can you give examples of when its hardly never correct to cold-call a raise but many players do?

Do you ever cold-call raises with hands like 65o or other trashy hands? For example if a very bad player opens in CO and you are on the button like 150bb deep, what about 100bb?

If someone have a link (2+2 or not) on the subject thats very welcome.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling

good spots to call in position:

1. TAG opens, 50/30 fish in the blinds
2. kinda nitty TAG opens, you can use your position on him to steal pots

bad spots to call in position:
1. TAG opens, squeeze happy TAG in the blinds
2. good TAG opens, no big fish in the blinds, he has initiative and it's going to be tough to make money

these spots are good times to 3bet
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling

We all know the power of 3-betting PF, but it's possible 3-bet to the extent that you are reducing your expectation. For me, I cold call plenty, but that fits in with how I want to play and I believe, rightly or wrongly, that I can play well from the flop onwards. If I played more tables so I was on the limit, maybe I'd think differently.

It is probably a very slight leak to never cold call anything other than paids, but only in the sense that playing a more varied style may be a bit more +EV.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling

I rele like this post. I think 3betting or folding in position is the best play, almost never flatcalling unless u rele want to induce a squeeze. 3betting gives you the edge in the hand and puts the other person to a decision, and playing a reraised pot in position is always good. Reraising gives you the lead in the hand, as opposed to calling, when you're on the defensive, sinces chances are, you'll face a cbet.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling

I tried to make a post about this but no one cared. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
Mebe you are more popular. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 06-26-2007, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: Cold calling

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Do you think it would be a big leak to never ever cold-call a single raise in a mid stakes 6-max NL except for pocket pairs, ie 3-bet or fold?

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it would make you very predictable for sure. say you call with 22 - 99 and raise or fold the rest - as soon as your opponent knows your calling range he can pretty much play perfectly against your narrow range. (except if you mix it up heavily postflop)
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling

mike is spot on here.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling

Ive actually thought about this a lot in the past and I think that against good aggressive players it is mathematically wrong to cold call raises most of the time.

but I think it is profitable to do so when you add in the fact of how powerful position is in deep stacked nl, where you have the ability to take the pot away with nothing profitably because of how aggressive players are preflop now. Most of the time they dont have much and by having position on them it becomes profitable to float and raise flops with nothing occasionally.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling

Think you pretty much have to plan on bluffing postflop alot of the time you dont improve to coldcall as the first guy.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: Cold calling

What is the precise definition of a cold call?
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